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You can never win a war against an ideology.

by bcrosby95 2y ago

danaris 2y ago
The only way to destroy an idea is with better ideas.
- dartos 2y ago
  Unfortunately “better” is a subjective term.
  - kerkeslager 2y ago
    Do you really intend to argue that "better than Nazism" is subjective?
    - dartos 2y ago
      Not at all. Nazism is disgusting, horrific, indefensible, and should be condemned at every turn. But nazis would argue that it’s better (that’s why they’re nazis). That’s why it’s so hard to kill an ideology and why my original comment used the word “unfortunately.”
      - Slava_Propanei 2y ago
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      - kerkeslager 2y ago
        Okay, but there are plenty of objective truths that people disagree with. The fact that the earth is approximately spherical is objective truth, regardless of the existence of flat earthers. I feel pretty okay saying "nazism is wrong" is about as objectively true as a statement of ethics can be.
- SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
  Counterpoint: Nazis aren't here to engage you in good faith debates, so it would be a mistake to attempt to defeat them by doing that.
- lukev 2y ago
  Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so. This is the paradox of tolerance. It's pretty well understood, except apparently on online message boards where there are somehow always a bunch of people ready to jump to the intellectual defense of Nazis (evidence: this comments page.)
  - gadders 2y ago
    Communists have killed their political opponents as well. I don't think it's limited to Nazis.
    - lukev 2y ago
      I never said it was. FYI, whataboutism in a thread about Nazis makes it look a little like you're defending Nazism. Was that your intent? If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation?
      - decremental 2y ago
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      - gadders 2y ago
        Me being even-handed makes me look like I'm defending nazis? LOL. >>If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation? The point that all extremism is bad, not just one side or the other. A point you failed to make.
  - kbelder 2y ago
    >Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so. That belief is one of the reasons Fascism is wrong.
- bcrosby95 2y ago
  Yeah, that's why the war on terrorism is going so well. It's only been 24 years, I'm sure we'll have that stamped out any minute. Then we can go back to re-winning against Nazism after we stamped it out the past 80 years... actually it never really disappeared. So much winning going on.
RIMR 2y ago
If it's an ideology of genocide, there is a way to win that war. Kill them first.
- deleted 2y ago
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You can never win a war against an ideology.

danaris 2y ago

The only way to destroy an idea is with better ideas.

dartos 2y ago
Unfortunately “better” is a subjective term.
- kerkeslager 2y ago
  Do you really intend to argue that "better than Nazism" is subjective?
  - dartos 2y ago
    Not at all. Nazism is disgusting, horrific, indefensible, and should be condemned at every turn. But nazis would argue that it’s better (that’s why they’re nazis). That’s why it’s so hard to kill an ideology and why my original comment used the word “unfortunately.”
    - Slava_Propanei 2y ago
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    - kerkeslager 2y ago
      Okay, but there are plenty of objective truths that people disagree with. The fact that the earth is approximately spherical is objective truth, regardless of the existence of flat earthers. I feel pretty okay saying "nazism is wrong" is about as objectively true as a statement of ethics can be.
SideburnsOfDoom 2y ago
Counterpoint: Nazis aren't here to engage you in good faith debates, so it would be a mistake to attempt to defeat them by doing that.
lukev 2y ago
Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so. This is the paradox of tolerance. It's pretty well understood, except apparently on online message boards where there are somehow always a bunch of people ready to jump to the intellectual defense of Nazis (evidence: this comments page.)
- gadders 2y ago
  Communists have killed their political opponents as well. I don't think it's limited to Nazis.
  - lukev 2y ago
    I never said it was. FYI, whataboutism in a thread about Nazis makes it look a little like you're defending Nazism. Was that your intent? If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation?
    - decremental 2y ago
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    - gadders 2y ago
      Me being even-handed makes me look like I'm defending nazis? LOL. >>If not, what did you intend to add to the conversation with this (true) observation? The point that all extremism is bad, not just one side or the other. A point you failed to make.
- kbelder 2y ago
  >Fascists don't believe that, and will happily kill people with different ideas if they get the power to do so. That belief is one of the reasons Fascism is wrong.
bcrosby95 2y ago
Yeah, that's why the war on terrorism is going so well. It's only been 24 years, I'm sure we'll have that stamped out any minute. Then we can go back to re-winning against Nazism after we stamped it out the past 80 years... actually it never really disappeared. So much winning going on.

RIMR 2y ago

If it's an ideology of genocide, there is a way to win that war. Kill them first.

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