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??? how is cost on the healthcare system the thing to be worried about over longer lifespan and quality of life? strange thing to focus on lol but i think if y

by swyx 2y ago

??? how is cost on the healthcare system the thing to be worried about over longer lifespan and quality of life? strange thing to focus on lol but i think if you think it thru, 1 should dominate 2, and 2 should be reduced as well.

CalRobert 2y ago
People who need to ensure these programs are well funded definitely need to consider it.
freedomben 2y ago
Are you prepared to make the doctors work for free?
rowanG077 2y ago
Because it's literally a large chunk of the economy? Why wouldn't you worry about that. I certainly don't like to see a society where the young are enslaved by the old to pay for their medical treatment.
AmericanChopper 2y ago
Health care costs is how individual people’s terrible lifestyle decisions end up impacting everybody else. If somebody wants to live some awful unhealthy lifestyle it really should be their own choice to do so. Except for the fact that it drives up everybody’s insurance premiums, and in countries where the government either partially or entirely subsidises healthcare costs, it gives the government an outright moral mandate to start nannying everybody’s health choices. If somebody wants to live an obese lifestyle, I really think that’s up to them. But I’d be much happier about it if it didn’t cost me so much money.
- rickbutton 2y ago
  Do you think addicts should receive treatment? Do you think that people who make bad decisions deserve to live? Do you extract the exact amount of value from society relative to the amount you put in, or do you take more than you give? Are you sure? Please explain. Your perspective is frankly disgusting. I hope you don't have any vices. The point of a society is to pool resources together to improve the collective. Different people in different positions of power and ability have different needs. Hopefully you don't personally have any power to exclude people from that group. I hope that the powers that be don't decide that you deserve less for some reason.
  - AmericanChopper 2y ago
    I don’t think being addicted to laziness and having a glutinous appetite is exactly comparable to say, being addicted to heroin. But yes, I do think addicts should receive treatment, just as I think obese patients should (and do) receive treatment for all the diseases they end up with. But addicts, like the obese, impose many of the costs of their own bad life decisions onto others. It’s what you’d call a negative externality, and if some magic treatment came along to fix drug addiction, I would also be very happy to see that negative externality addressed.
    - rickbutton 2y ago
      > I don’t think being addicted to laziness and having a glutinous appetite is exactly comparable to say, being addicted to heroin. Your opinion is that of a petulant child. Many years of research has shown that obesity is not this simple. Many chemical processes take place that influence one's ability to make better health choices, and many external factors put constraints on those choices as well. This is the exact same thing as hard drugs. Being obese is not a moral failing. When you say things like this, you show your true colors. You are not extending humanity to obese people, and it is very obvious. I sincerely hope you reconsider your opinions. I hope you don't have any obese people in your life, or at least hope they don't read these messages. I think they would be disappointed to hear what you think of them. And again, I hope you don't have any vices and are the perfect model of health, otherwise this would be a quite silly opinion to have. EDIT: I've been rated limited on comments so I'll post my last response here instead: I have nothing further to say to this other than that you should consider talking to someone about your clearly deep-seated hatred for those who don't fit your model of participant in society; it doesn't seem healthy. Find an obese friend and show them your comments and watch their face as they read them. I wonder if you will find the humanity in their response that you are lacking here.
      - AmericanChopper 2y ago
        I would say that your suggestion that grown adults should be absolved of responsibility for their own decisions is actually a quintessentially childish idea. The fact that you are so deeply offended by any suggestion otherwise is even more childish.
CharlieDigital 2y ago
I mean, I'm contributing to the Social Security system here so I'd like to know how it's going to impact my long term retirement. There's nothing malicious about it; purely a question of accounting and math.

by swyx 2y ago

CalRobert 2y ago

People who need to ensure these programs are well funded definitely need to consider it.

freedomben 2y ago

Are you prepared to make the doctors work for free?

rowanG077 2y ago

Because it's literally a large chunk of the economy? Why wouldn't you worry about that. I certainly don't like to see a society where the young are enslaved by the old to pay for their medical treatment.

AmericanChopper 2y ago

Health care costs is how individual people’s terrible lifestyle decisions end up impacting everybody else. If somebody wants to live some awful unhealthy lifestyle it really should be their own choice to do so. Except for the fact that it drives up everybody’s insurance premiums, and in countries where the government either partially or entirely subsidises healthcare costs, it gives the government an outright moral mandate to start nannying everybody’s health choices. If somebody wants to live an obese lifestyle, I really think that’s up to them. But I’d be much happier about it if it didn’t cost me so much money.

rickbutton 2y ago
Do you think addicts should receive treatment? Do you think that people who make bad decisions deserve to live? Do you extract the exact amount of value from society relative to the amount you put in, or do you take more than you give? Are you sure? Please explain. Your perspective is frankly disgusting. I hope you don't have any vices. The point of a society is to pool resources together to improve the collective. Different people in different positions of power and ability have different needs. Hopefully you don't personally have any power to exclude people from that group. I hope that the powers that be don't decide that you deserve less for some reason.
- AmericanChopper 2y ago
  I don’t think being addicted to laziness and having a glutinous appetite is exactly comparable to say, being addicted to heroin. But yes, I do think addicts should receive treatment, just as I think obese patients should (and do) receive treatment for all the diseases they end up with. But addicts, like the obese, impose many of the costs of their own bad life decisions onto others. It’s what you’d call a negative externality, and if some magic treatment came along to fix drug addiction, I would also be very happy to see that negative externality addressed.
  - rickbutton 2y ago
    > I don’t think being addicted to laziness and having a glutinous appetite is exactly comparable to say, being addicted to heroin. Your opinion is that of a petulant child. Many years of research has shown that obesity is not this simple. Many chemical processes take place that influence one's ability to make better health choices, and many external factors put constraints on those choices as well. This is the exact same thing as hard drugs. Being obese is not a moral failing. When you say things like this, you show your true colors. You are not extending humanity to obese people, and it is very obvious. I sincerely hope you reconsider your opinions. I hope you don't have any obese people in your life, or at least hope they don't read these messages. I think they would be disappointed to hear what you think of them. And again, I hope you don't have any vices and are the perfect model of health, otherwise this would be a quite silly opinion to have. EDIT: I've been rated limited on comments so I'll post my last response here instead: I have nothing further to say to this other than that you should consider talking to someone about your clearly deep-seated hatred for those who don't fit your model of participant in society; it doesn't seem healthy. Find an obese friend and show them your comments and watch their face as they read them. I wonder if you will find the humanity in their response that you are lacking here.
    - AmericanChopper 2y ago
      I would say that your suggestion that grown adults should be absolved of responsibility for their own decisions is actually a quintessentially childish idea. The fact that you are so deeply offended by any suggestion otherwise is even more childish.

CharlieDigital 2y ago

I mean, I'm contributing to the Social Security system here so I'd like to know how it's going to impact my long term retirement. There's nothing malicious about it; purely a question of accounting and math.