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Personal experience, but pro-Ukrainian accounts/channels are much worse in terms of "Othering", be it justified or not. There is a widespread tendence to call R

Personal experience, but pro-Ukrainian accounts/channels are much worse in terms of "Othering", be it justified or not. There is a widespread tendence to call Russians a variety of names, such as "Orcs"[0], "Cockroaches", and "Zombies". On the other hand I often see pro-Russian accounts define Ukrainians as "Nazis". The main difference is that Nazis is used as a political connotation and is usually referred to Ukrainian politicians and military members. Russian propaganda carefully describes the Ukrainian population as relatives captive of a far-right dictatorship. Ukrainian propaganda instead frequently dehumanizes the Russian population. - [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(slang) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(slang)

wiseowise 2y ago
> The main difference is that Nazis is used as a political connotation and is usually referred to Ukrainian politicians and military members. Russian propaganda carefully describes the Ukrainian population as relatives captive of a far-right dictatorship. Ukrainian propaganda instead frequently dehumanizes the Russian population. Straight up lie. Russians dehumanized Ukrainians for decades. Khokli, Saloedi (pork fat eaters), chubatie (derogatory remark about cultural Cossack haircut), Petlurivci (reference to Petlura), Benderivci (Stepsn Bendera reference). I can continue for a very long while.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Care to name any more? That'd be greatly appreciated. Preferably in Cyrillic if possible. (As for why: let's just say it's for a science project).
  - wiseowise 2y ago
    Have "fun". The stuff in the article represents just a small fraction of disgusting stuff I've read over years. DISCLAIMER: The link contains vile and evil text, you've been warned. https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BB%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BB%D1%8B
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Молодец, and thanks.
      - ossobuco 2y ago
        I suggest you read this as well: https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8...
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      "All Ukrainians live in Canada! — The people" "If the dick is too short, it's Putin's fault — The people" This is actually hilarious, thanks for sharing. By the way you seem to forget that Ukrainians have several ethnic slurs for Russians, like Katsap and Moskal. I suggest you add this to your reading list: https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8...
- ossobuco 2y ago
  I'm talking about what I see online since the war started. I don't know nor I followed the culture of Othering between Russia and Ukraine before that. As I said, it's my personal experience, so it's not really up to you to say if it's a lie.
aguaviva 2y ago
Ukrainian propaganda instead frequently dehumanizes the Russian population. Sources, please. Otherwise you'll need to retract.
- ossobuco 2y ago
  Nah, it's my personal experience from browsing twitter, reddit and several telegram accounts. I'm not going to waste time searching for examples to satisfy your unwillingness to accept my personal experience as valid. Do some research yourself, you'll see what I mean. By the way I literally added a source for the Orc slur to my comment, perhaps you missed that?
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    When you said "propaganda" I thought meant from official sources or statements by well-known public figures - not random chatroom stuff on the internet. Either way - you've answered the question. All I can suggest to you is -- just forget about all those social media channels. They're an extremely warped reflection of reality and not representative of anything. Looking for sample material in these places from which to draw inferences about the broader sociopolitical situation (or even as to what Ukrainians or Russians are actually like as people) is like looking for dating advice on 4chan.
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      Do you expect propaganda to only come directly from the government? Look at this operation by Israel for example[0]. The USA aren't new to this either[1]. A part of Wikipedia is literally a battle field between propaganda arms of different governments. What we see today is a new form of "organic" propaganda, with tons of fake social accounts repeating propaganda pieces coming from the top. That doesn't mean that you should take whatever any rando says as a propaganda covert operation, but if you see patterns over time, those can probably be traced up to governments, agencies or organized groups. - [0]: https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566 https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-millio... - [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751

wiseowise 2y ago

> The main difference is that Nazis is used as a political connotation and is usually referred to Ukrainian politicians and military members. Russian propaganda carefully describes the Ukrainian population as relatives captive of a far-right dictatorship. Ukrainian propaganda instead frequently dehumanizes the Russian population. Straight up lie. Russians dehumanized Ukrainians for decades. Khokli, Saloedi (pork fat eaters), chubatie (derogatory remark about cultural Cossack haircut), Petlurivci (reference to Petlura), Benderivci (Stepsn Bendera reference). I can continue for a very long while.

aguaviva 2y ago
Care to name any more? That'd be greatly appreciated. Preferably in Cyrillic if possible. (As for why: let's just say it's for a science project).
- wiseowise 2y ago
  Have "fun". The stuff in the article represents just a small fraction of disgusting stuff I've read over years. DISCLAIMER: The link contains vile and evil text, you've been warned. https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BB%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%A5%D0%BE%D1%85%D0%BB%D1%8B
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Молодец, and thanks.
    - ossobuco 2y ago
      I suggest you read this as well: https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8...
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    "All Ukrainians live in Canada! — The people" "If the dick is too short, it's Putin's fault — The people" This is actually hilarious, thanks for sharing. By the way you seem to forget that Ukrainians have several ethnic slurs for Russians, like Katsap and Moskal. I suggest you add this to your reading list: https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8B https://neolurk.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%8...
ossobuco 2y ago
I'm talking about what I see online since the war started. I don't know nor I followed the culture of Othering between Russia and Ukraine before that. As I said, it's my personal experience, so it's not really up to you to say if it's a lie.

aguaviva 2y ago

Ukrainian propaganda instead frequently dehumanizes the Russian population. Sources, please. Otherwise you'll need to retract.

ossobuco 2y ago
Nah, it's my personal experience from browsing twitter, reddit and several telegram accounts. I'm not going to waste time searching for examples to satisfy your unwillingness to accept my personal experience as valid. Do some research yourself, you'll see what I mean. By the way I literally added a source for the Orc slur to my comment, perhaps you missed that?
- aguaviva 2y ago
  When you said "propaganda" I thought meant from official sources or statements by well-known public figures - not random chatroom stuff on the internet. Either way - you've answered the question. All I can suggest to you is -- just forget about all those social media channels. They're an extremely warped reflection of reality and not representative of anything. Looking for sample material in these places from which to draw inferences about the broader sociopolitical situation (or even as to what Ukrainians or Russians are actually like as people) is like looking for dating advice on 4chan.
  - ossobuco 2y ago
    Do you expect propaganda to only come directly from the government? Look at this operation by Israel for example[0]. The USA aren't new to this either[1]. A part of Wikipedia is literally a battle field between propaganda arms of different governments. What we see today is a new form of "organic" propaganda, with tons of fake social accounts repeating propaganda pieces coming from the top. That doesn't mean that you should take whatever any rando says as a propaganda covert operation, but if you see patterns over time, those can probably be traced up to governments, agencies or organized groups. - [0]: https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-million-dollar-troll-army/27566 https://electronicintifada.net/content/inside-israels-millio... - [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63731751