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Most port workers don't even work. They can have a little downward mobility, they've earned it.
by SR2Z 2y ago
Most port workers don't even work. They can have a little downward mobility, they've earned it.
- wasteduniverse 2y ago[dead]
- wormlord 2y agoIf you value people solely by their economic output then I am just going to immediately discard your opinion.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoReally shows thr empathy of the world once a community talks about the other-group. That Sinclair quote rings true here.
- SR2Z 2y agoThis has nothing to do with their value as human beings and everything to do with how they are blocking automation to keep shipping expensive.
- snapcaster 2y agoWhere is this same energy for trust fund kids?
- consteval 2y agoPort workers are physical laborers and therefore in our popular culture are perceived as stupid. Humans of lesser value. This inherent bias exists in all of us, whether we admit it or not. That's why we view knowledge workers getting paid more than they deserve in a MUCH different light than physical laborers getting paid more than they deserve.
- hackable_sand 2y agoBro you need help
- consteval 2y agoI'm speaking to cultural biases in the west, I'm not speaking from a personal perspective. Physical laborers are percieved as humans of lesser value, and that's why the bar or standard for what is mistreatment of them is much higher. We do the same with, for example, prisoners. They are humans of lesser value, so the standard for mistreatment is really high. We can force them to work, physically hurt them, starve them a bit, and the average person doesn't care. We have to do something really bad for people to start caring. That's why your office worker can take a 15-minute walk and nobody bats an eye. But the grocery store cashier wants to sit down, and millions of people lose their mind.
- hackable_sand 2y agoYou speak your truth. Don't speak for me. Rude as fuck.
- consteval 2y agoI don't think you understand what culture means. When I'm saying it's the culture of the west to put down physical laborers, that doesn't mean I think YOU PERSONALLY do that. I really didn't think this is the type of thing that needed to be explained on hackernews of all places, but here we are. Try to keep up.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoSad but true. Definitely a lot of elitism here as well as anti-union. I'd happily remain on my butt at a computer even if the trades started making double my salary. They are sacrificing their bodies for this theoretical higher wage. They deserve it in my eyes. But of course, that's not how a lot of "smart people" think. "I can life boxes, why are they paid more"? Big difference between lifting a box, and lifting boxes for 20,000+hours for a part of a career. Life is short as is, I will try to make the best of it.
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- IncreasePosts 2y agoTrust fund kids are just spending money that is already earned. They're not taxing future transactions.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoWhat do you mean? Of course they will be taxing future transactions. Thats how we get congress with no empathy for people without a small loan of a million dollars. Alternatively they nepo-inhereit a company and they fight for lower taxes that they should pay. So they indirectly tax the middle/lower class more becsuse they basically take money from the government.
- SR2Z 2y ago> What do you mean? Of course they will be taxing future transactions. Thats how we get congress with no empathy for people without a small loan of a million dollars. A trust fund is FUNDED. They are spending money that someone else made for them. High port costs, on the other hand, are paid for by consumers.
- SR2Z 2y agoThere are not that many trust fund kids and I don't care if they blow their family fortune on something stupid. It's their money, it's not like spending it makes ME worse off. But high shipping costs? That causes INFLATION. It's a cost they ask all of us to pay, unnecessarily, since they have blocked automation.
- SoftTalker 2y agoWould you say the same thing about software engineers? Because it's likely just as true if not more so.
- sensanaty 2y agoYour average dockworker is infinitely more valuable than trust fund nepo babies that sit on their ass all day playing with investor money opening up yet another useless AI startup that's going to crash within a year.
- SR2Z 2y agoSome dock workers literally get paid for hours not worked. This is a hard statement for me to agree with.