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> you sure it neglects vogtle? No, your "Advanced Nuclear - Pathways to Commercial Liftoff" plays the usual "we benefit from failures because we learn" card, a

> you sure it neglects vogtle? No, your "Advanced Nuclear - Pathways to Commercial Liftoff" plays the usual "we benefit from failures because we learn" card, and concludes with promises "The next AP1000s would also realize substantial cost reductions". This is not IMHO solid, especially given well-known pertinent experience (about gaining from experience!), such as https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421510003526 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03014... V2G seems solid to me and to most experts (even France seriously studies it!). The continental scale ('copper plate') is an official objective in many continents, and already actively and for quite a while pursued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmission_System_Operators_for_Electricity#Geographical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmissi... > With a renewable grid you'll need huge overcapacity Not at continental level ( https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-could-provide-more-stable/ https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/180592/european-cooperation-... )

Moldoteck 2y ago
based on the fact unit 4 proved there's positive learning curve (30% faster & cheaper than unit 3) they extrapolated this so it seems pretty normal, much more believable than a continental scale grid that'll not need much overcapacity and storage, including because of v2g, that's a pipedream of a solution. Just think of dunkelflaute that'll affect a lot of northern countries, think how much overcapacity the other members will need to have to cover it.
- natmaka 2y ago
  > unit 4 proved there's positive learning curve Unit 4 proved that work units in a given project, sharing the same lapse of time and space, can benefit. Extrapolating it to a whole set of projects is another matter (see the referenced study). > a continental scale grid Already exists and is continuously extended: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmission_System_Operators_for_Electricity#Geographical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmissi... > dunkelflaute Its real impact (surface, frequency, duration...) is vastly overstated. In a glimpse: https://x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1707035071394238889 https://x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1707035071394238889
  - Moldoteck 2y ago
    Yeah, vastly overstated... at this point you're not serious dude. I'm also very aware of european grid, but I guess you didn't read the part that you still need huge overcapacity
    - natmaka 2y ago
      I cannot see any counter-argument in your answer. > huge overcapacity You didn't source this. This vastly depends on many parameters. Moreover as renewables machines are cheap, recyclable, and can be installed in unused places (or even protect them, as offshore wind does for oceans) you have yet to show which challenge this 'huge overcapacity' stems.

Moldoteck 2y ago

based on the fact unit 4 proved there's positive learning curve (30% faster & cheaper than unit 3) they extrapolated this so it seems pretty normal, much more believable than a continental scale grid that'll not need much overcapacity and storage, including because of v2g, that's a pipedream of a solution. Just think of dunkelflaute that'll affect a lot of northern countries, think how much overcapacity the other members will need to have to cover it.

natmaka 2y ago
> unit 4 proved there's positive learning curve Unit 4 proved that work units in a given project, sharing the same lapse of time and space, can benefit. Extrapolating it to a whole set of projects is another matter (see the referenced study). > a continental scale grid Already exists and is continuously extended: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmission_System_Operators_for_Electricity#Geographical_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Network_of_Transmissi... > dunkelflaute Its real impact (surface, frequency, duration...) is vastly overstated. In a glimpse: https://x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1707035071394238889 https://x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1707035071394238889
- Moldoteck 2y ago
  Yeah, vastly overstated... at this point you're not serious dude. I'm also very aware of european grid, but I guess you didn't read the part that you still need huge overcapacity
  - natmaka 2y ago
    I cannot see any counter-argument in your answer. > huge overcapacity You didn't source this. This vastly depends on many parameters. Moreover as renewables machines are cheap, recyclable, and can be installed in unused places (or even protect them, as offshore wind does for oceans) you have yet to show which challenge this 'huge overcapacity' stems.