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Oh talk. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine#:~:text=By%2011%20November%202022%2C%20the,about%2018%25%20of%20Ukraine's%20t
by lazide 2y ago
Oh talk.
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories_of_Ukraine#:~:text=By%2011%20November%202022%2C%20the,about%2018%25%20of%20Ukraine's%20territory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-occupied_territories....]
Looks like Russia has lost everything but a tiny portion they gained, at immense cost - including the near total collapse of their economy.
And are going to be locked in trench warfare on land they don’t control, with uncertain supply lines, with no air superiority - going into winter.
And is losing more and more control of the little they have left.
This is Russia’s Afghanistan writ large, and will lead to the total collapse of the Russian gov’t (and society) soon.
It’s already nearly destroyed an entire generation of Russian men - in the middle of an already epic demographic collapse.
Don’t get me wrong, this has wrought terrible damage to Ukraine too. But with Russia’s economy (previously) and population being 10x larger, this whole debacle is a huge embarrassment to Russia. Even bigger than the collapse of the USSR.
It would be like if the US went to invade Canada, and couldn’t even hold Ottawa.
Edit to answer your edit: maybe if the 18% was the land near Alaska. And they’re at almost the same amount of land they had control of when this whole mess started. All the major economically productive areas of Ukraine are still under Ukraine’s control.
- throwaway2037 2y ago> including the near total collapse of their economy. I am not here to shill for Russia, but this is certainly not true. The Russian economy has proven much more resilient than anyone expected since the start of coordinated global sanctions by the world's most developed economies. It is currently growing about 4% per year.
- aguaviva 2y agoYou're not, but given that the IMF is saying 2.6 percent (current), 3.2 percent (projected) -- how does one obtain 4 percent for "current" growth (other than from Russian government figures)?
- throwaway2037 2y agoThis is my source: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual Regardless, even if 2, 3, or 4%, none of those is "near total collapse of their economy".
- aguaviva 2y agoSo Russian government figures, then. Agreed that comment above yours was out to lunch, of course.