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As an Israeli, I can vouch for the massive ass-covering that goes on there. In fact, we just had a big public ass-covering demonstration regarding the awful flo

by Nimi 14y ago

As an Israeli, I can vouch for the massive ass-covering that goes on there. In fact, we just had a big public ass-covering demonstration regarding the awful flotilla blockade. Regardless of what one thinks of the political aspects and/or morality of that action, the purpose was to examine why were several soldiers injured and Israel's relationship with Turkey, previously a strategic ally, deteriorated. Both these results were seen as failures of the mission. The ass covering was plain for all to see, on the national news. I agree that the Israeli army has a very substantial contribution to the high level of entrepreneurship and technological achievement in the country, but effective organizational behavior is definitely not something you want to pick up from the IDF.

anamax 14y ago
> effective organizational behavior is definitely not something you want to pick up from the IDF. (1) The IDF is "ineffective" on an absolute scale. (2) The IDF is significantly more effective than most other organizations. While better isn't perfect, you can learn from both.
- Nimi 14y ago
  Why do you claim that the IDF is more effective than other organizations?
  - ars 14y ago
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/ http://www.globalfirepower.com/ Compare that list to the population size of each country, Israel is a very large outlier. National will is important, but you don't rank on that list by being ineffective.
  - anamax 14y ago
    > Why do you claim that the IDF is more effective than other organizations? I didn't claim that the IDF was more effective than all organizations, I said that it was more effective than most. For example, I'd claim that the IDF is more effective than almost every failed startup.... (You can argue that many fail for reasons outside their control, but I'll respond that such vulnerabilities are a failure.)
- Retric 14y ago
  It's also a lot easier for large organizations to examine issues of a less sensitive nature. AKA missile detonates in the middle of a field vs school.

by Nimi 14y ago

anamax 14y ago

> effective organizational behavior is definitely not something you want to pick up from the IDF. (1) The IDF is "ineffective" on an absolute scale. (2) The IDF is significantly more effective than most other organizations. While better isn't perfect, you can learn from both.

Nimi 14y ago
Why do you claim that the IDF is more effective than other organizations?
- ars 14y ago
  http://www.globalfirepower.com/ http://www.globalfirepower.com/ Compare that list to the population size of each country, Israel is a very large outlier. National will is important, but you don't rank on that list by being ineffective.
- anamax 14y ago
  > Why do you claim that the IDF is more effective than other organizations? I didn't claim that the IDF was more effective than all organizations, I said that it was more effective than most. For example, I'd claim that the IDF is more effective than almost every failed startup.... (You can argue that many fail for reasons outside their control, but I'll respond that such vulnerabilities are a failure.)
Retric 14y ago
It's also a lot easier for large organizations to examine issues of a less sensitive nature. AKA missile detonates in the middle of a field vs school.