> But no one has proven to me that they want to live. I think I see where you're coming from, but this is a mighty perverse thing to say about people currently

> But no one has proven to me that they want to live. I think I see where you're coming from, but this is a mighty perverse thing to say about people currently dying of organ failure who have expressed a desire to not die of organ failure. This isn't hypothetical, you can reach out to them and ask them how they feel directly. Not paying attention to that is a lack of diligence on your part, not a lack of expression on theirs. Contrast that with an unborn child who literally cannot express a preference. Proving a desire to be born is a very different problem.