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You can start with Windows XP https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windows-xp-ipad-pc-emulation-utm-se https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windo

You can start with Windows XP https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windows-xp-ipad-pc-emulation-utm-se https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windows-xp-ipad-...

walterbell 2y ago
> It took two and a half hours for my iPad to crawl through installation. Jailbroken Apple M1 iPads with iOS16 can use the iOS hypervisor to run VMs without overheating their devices or waiting hours to boot. Still, we can thank Apple for small mercies like UTM, ashell and iSH. As a science experiment, Apple could silently launch a "VM store" with $100 VMs, accessible only via hidden URL. How badly do Apple customers want to use the iPad hardware they already purchased? Could Apple customers be extorted into paying for VMs? Will anyone ever ship a competitive tablet running Linux?
- acchow 2y ago
  Apple definitely does not want bad reviews on their iPads because the VMs they are selling are crashing more often than their other offerings. Any product Apple sells for actual $ would have meet Apple’s standards of support and customer service, or they would be deteriorating their Goodwill. Except their charging cables. Apple actively trades goodwill for those margins.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    You do realize that Apple sells Macs, right?
    - lostlogin 2y ago
      While accurate, this misses the point. The chip is very similar to that in the Mac and it’s frustrating to have Apple prevent it being used more fully.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        I agree. But this has nothing to do with Macs crashing more often.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > the VMs they are selling are crashing VMs would be a subset of existing iOS/macOS. VMs are more uniform targets than bare-metal, less likely to crash. Think Microsoft CAL (client access license) paper entitlements. Or papal certificates of indulgence, https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-view-on-indulgences-and-how-they-work-today-193066 https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-view-on-indulgences... Software margins with iPad-as-DRM-dongle, investors would rejoice! Broadcom and Qualcomm would be envious.
tambourine_man 2y ago
Without JIT, it’s more a prof-of-concept than a useful tool, IMO.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  With the current iPad limitations, however slow it gets, running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal. If you wanted to debug and print out your original papercraft without remoting into another machine, that will probably be good enough.
  - eru 2y ago
    > [...], running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal. Well, unless you are using JavaScript?
  - walterbell 2y ago
    > running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal yt-dlp on iPad via iSH is surprising useful.

You can start with Windows XP https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windows-xp-ipad-pc-emulation-utm-se https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/22/24200536/windows-xp-ipad-...

walterbell 2y ago

> It took two and a half hours for my iPad to crawl through installation. Jailbroken Apple M1 iPads with iOS16 can use the iOS hypervisor to run VMs without overheating their devices or waiting hours to boot. Still, we can thank Apple for small mercies like UTM, ashell and iSH. As a science experiment, Apple could silently launch a "VM store" with $100 VMs, accessible only via hidden URL. How badly do Apple customers want to use the iPad hardware they already purchased? Could Apple customers be extorted into paying for VMs? Will anyone ever ship a competitive tablet running Linux?

acchow 2y ago
Apple definitely does not want bad reviews on their iPads because the VMs they are selling are crashing more often than their other offerings. Any product Apple sells for actual $ would have meet Apple’s standards of support and customer service, or they would be deteriorating their Goodwill. Except their charging cables. Apple actively trades goodwill for those margins.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  You do realize that Apple sells Macs, right?
  - lostlogin 2y ago
    While accurate, this misses the point. The chip is very similar to that in the Mac and it’s frustrating to have Apple prevent it being used more fully.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      I agree. But this has nothing to do with Macs crashing more often.
- walterbell 2y ago
  > the VMs they are selling are crashing VMs would be a subset of existing iOS/macOS. VMs are more uniform targets than bare-metal, less likely to crash. Think Microsoft CAL (client access license) paper entitlements. Or papal certificates of indulgence, https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-view-on-indulgences-and-how-they-work-today-193066 https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-view-on-indulgences... Software margins with iPad-as-DRM-dongle, investors would rejoice! Broadcom and Qualcomm would be envious.

tambourine_man 2y ago

Without JIT, it’s more a prof-of-concept than a useful tool, IMO.

makeitdouble 2y ago
With the current iPad limitations, however slow it gets, running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal. If you wanted to debug and print out your original papercraft without remoting into another machine, that will probably be good enough.
- eru 2y ago
  > [...], running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal. Well, unless you are using JavaScript?
- walterbell 2y ago
  > running any arbitrary code locally can be a big deal yt-dlp on iPad via iSH is surprising useful.