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It is already persisting and syncing data (fully encrypted) between the cloud and other users. You can think of Jazz as a distributed database itself. The comi
by theanzelm 2y ago
It is already persisting and syncing data (fully encrypted) between the cloud and other users. You can think of Jazz as a distributed database itself.
The coming-soon badges are about interop with traditional systems and higher level features we will add later.
The fundamentals are solved and you can build full multiplayer, local-first apps with it.
Does that make sense?
- aboodman 2y agoDoes it store data persistently anywhere (on servers?). If so where?
- softfalcon 2y agoThat sounds a lot more promising! Which brings in even more questions. What is the performance of these multiplayer experiences? Can I have 1000+ users all connected to the same chat session? What about 10,000? (these numbers might seem high, but they're what I'm expected to deliver in my day-job)
- theanzelm 2y agoEventually, yes! The origin story of Jazz is that I did a lot of experiments and research to convince myself of satisfying performance characteristics. Right now, the pure-TypeScript implementation is not very optimised and I'm very intentionally optimising it as needed for early adopter apps instead of predicting where bottlenecks are. So if you start building a chat app with 10s of thousands of users interacting, we'll make sure that's possible by when you want to launch. This lets us more easily prioritise features vs performance.
- merlindru 2y agothis is amazing, keep up the great work. been wanting something like this forever
- bilekas 2y agoNot to go off topic but isn't performance metrics your responsibility ? Those are small numbers in reality, but if you are not performing your own tests and trusting the maintainer/publisher instead then you're not doing your 'day-job' properly.
- softfalcon 2y agoYeah, I hear you. Which is why we assessed and designed our own platform for handling the above stated traffic (and much more) for multi-user real-time chat sessions. The commenter seems to know a lot about Jazz, so I took the opportunity to ask further questions.
- theanzelm 2y agoI made Jazz, that's why I know a lot about it ;) (I now have people helping me) Let me know if you'd like to know anything else.
- bilekas 2y agoI like the idea, I have some implementation questions but I’ll catch you on GitHub. Nice work so far though.
- bilekas 2y agoGood stuff, and I hope I didn’t come across too rude but 10k parallel is not a problem for even basic setups to manage, it’s a problem solved many different ways some out of the box some not. Maybe your question was phrased wrong. But hit into 10kk parallel, there’s an interesting metric to discuss optimization. I’m reminded of the quasi meme “You have designed an infinitely scalable service for 10 clients “
- softfalcon 2y ago10k parallel users I agree, but 10k receiving all updates from the other 9999 and vice versa can become quite a complex problem to solve. Especially within time (latency), monetary hosting cost, and accuracy constraints. For example, an MMO town with 10,000 connected clients all viewing the same complex session state of all other users and entities in one town. That’s a lot of room for error. Or am I missing something? That scenario is complex to me and has remained complex to me despite my various times building it out for various products.
- boffinAudio 2y agoWhat plans do you have for a third-party audit/review of your backend to verify the claims being made? Its one thing to use this service on the basis of encryption claims - its another thing to have to clean up the mess from a forgotten API key being leaked somewhere... is there, therefore, a third party involved in an audit of Jazz?
- theanzelm 2y agoFirst it's all open source so even without knowing that my paid service uses the same open source libraries, you can verify yourself that nothing leaves the client unencrypted. Of course we will also do public audit(s) with security companies to make sure our cryptographic protocols are sound and implemented correctly.
- boffinAudio 2y agoThanks for the info. Of course, "its all open source" is a fair answer, but its also a dangerous one, since it shifts culpability for verification to anyone who has the time/resources to audit the open source components that you're using. But, it also has to be stated, there is no guarantee that you're using only the open source components you've declared, which is why an impartial audit by a third party would be necessary before this project can be used to build products in some industries. Anyway, I see that you have other concerns, so no worries and thanks for the honest answer.
- theanzelm 2y agoJust making sure that you saw the point where we will do an impartial third party audit!
- boffinAudio 2y agoI did, and I hope you will promote that fact a bit more overtly, because its kind of important for some .. especially in Europe ..