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> is an illegal monopoly while the Apple App Store isn't? This lawsuit is focused on Google. It's existence or the facts conveyed within do not provide any co

> is an illegal monopoly while the Apple App Store isn't? This lawsuit is focused on Google. It's existence or the facts conveyed within do not provide any cover to Apple. They don't prevent Apple from facing the same lawsuit or from being covered by the same judgement. Do you feel this way when we put a murderer away? I mean, "his murder was illegal, but yet, some people still get away with it?! What is this injustice?!" > so I guess that's fair. Would you prefer court cases to involve several dozen defendants at once? Would that be more "fair?"

Spivak 2y ago
> Would that be more "fair?" Having the second ruling be consistent with the first? Following precedent? This is terrible for competition where two companies in the same market can live under different rules in the same jurisdiction. Apple's monopoly is effectively blessed now.
- wiseowise 2y ago
  I agree with you. First decision needs to overruled and Apple sued to hell until they comply.
- akira2501 2y ago
  One is a Federal criminal case. The other is a Civil damages case. Their format, rulings, and outcomes are not comparable. Nothing in the civil case precludes Apple from receiving a criminal complaint.
kelnos 2y ago
> They don't prevent Apple from facing the same lawsuit or from being covered by the same judgement. I thought Apple did face the same lawsuit, against the same plaintiff, and Apple won.
- ocdtrekkie 2y ago
  The core difference is Apple had a bench trial and Google let actual people decide in a jury trial, which is a lot harder to swindle with legal technicalities, and also much harder to overturn on appeal.
- tiledjinn 2y ago
  Better to say Apple failed to lose. The court explicitly left open the question as to whether they are a monopoly. They just didn't provide any meaningful injunctions as a result of that case.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >The court explicitly left open the question as to whether they are a monopoly. Presumably because that's not a question that generally needs answered. A lot of people growing remembering microsoft getting sued have this flawed idea that monopoly always equals bad. There are plenty of legal monopolies, companies don't get in trouble until they start doing illegal stuff to keep their monopoly. A lot of areas naturally favor a monopoly, that's not illegal or necessarily bad.

Spivak 2y ago

> Would that be more "fair?" Having the second ruling be consistent with the first? Following precedent? This is terrible for competition where two companies in the same market can live under different rules in the same jurisdiction. Apple's monopoly is effectively blessed now.

wiseowise 2y ago
I agree with you. First decision needs to overruled and Apple sued to hell until they comply.
akira2501 2y ago
One is a Federal criminal case. The other is a Civil damages case. Their format, rulings, and outcomes are not comparable. Nothing in the civil case precludes Apple from receiving a criminal complaint.

kelnos 2y ago

> They don't prevent Apple from facing the same lawsuit or from being covered by the same judgement. I thought Apple did face the same lawsuit, against the same plaintiff, and Apple won.

ocdtrekkie 2y ago
The core difference is Apple had a bench trial and Google let actual people decide in a jury trial, which is a lot harder to swindle with legal technicalities, and also much harder to overturn on appeal.
tiledjinn 2y ago
Better to say Apple failed to lose. The court explicitly left open the question as to whether they are a monopoly. They just didn't provide any meaningful injunctions as a result of that case.
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >The court explicitly left open the question as to whether they are a monopoly. Presumably because that's not a question that generally needs answered. A lot of people growing remembering microsoft getting sued have this flawed idea that monopoly always equals bad. There are plenty of legal monopolies, companies don't get in trouble until they start doing illegal stuff to keep their monopoly. A lot of areas naturally favor a monopoly, that's not illegal or necessarily bad.