> One thing that's wrong with PHP is all the bloated OO mega-frameworks people create on top of it to try and make it Java, Rails, whatever... The thing that r

> One thing that's wrong with PHP is all the bloated OO mega-frameworks people create on top of it to try and make it Java, Rails, whatever... The thing that really fries my brain is templating systems built over frameworks -- PHP is already a templating system, and building another one in PHP is just silliness of the highest order. I mean, sure, separate out the gnarlies and include or require them as necessary (but, please, don't nest includes so deeply that you can't find anything anymore), but don't throw away what the environment provides just so that you can reinvent that particular wheel.