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What has she done that didn't fail or get shot down as political overreach? (not being sarcastic...i mean that i may have missed something inadvertently)

Multicomp 2y ago
Not GP. I would say that her effectiveness is both in Fire and Motion [1], while one wants more Fire, before the status quo was not only no fire, but also no motion. Even the motion is a good starting point that businesses are having management adapt their strategies and plans to account for the motion, just out self-interested risk mitigation in case there is more fire than there currently is today, and that fire gets trained on them. [1] https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/
- BoiledCabbage 2y ago
  A good analogy, but I think you swapped the meaning of fire and motion in your usage of it. In this case, her cases even if lost would be the equivalent of cover fire. Businesses need to re-act to the cover fire and cannot advance (perform their own motion) while she is firing. The second part is that you would hope/expect her to be able to gain territory in the near future via the "motion" part of the strategy. So I agree in your framing, just from my perspective you flipped the terminology.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
  That seems really bad for the government to be doing this. If she is losing, then using the resources of the government to harass businesses that are acting lawfully seems like fascism.
  - immibis 2y ago
    harassing shitty actors, even if they're technically obeying the law, is not fascism
givemeethekeys 2y ago
I suppose the question is - despite her failures, do we agree with the policy that she / the Biden administration are pushing? If so, then if she isn't the right person for the job, is there someone who will be more successful?
hughesjj 2y ago
> didn't fail or get shot down as political overreach? Progress requires testing the system and seeing where the failure points are. It's significantly better than the relative nothing we've gotten from past admins. Also with the current judicial and congressional makeup it's a wonder anything gets done.
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  but things that do get done were definitely critically reviewed, so that's something.
- jessriedel 2y ago
  Using public resources to sue companies, force them to pay for expensive defense in court, and then losing when the court decides they did nothing illegal?
  - Hasu 2y ago
    Yes, that is how our justice system works. First, the government accuses you of a crime, then they have to prove that you committed it, and you get to defend yourself. How else could it possibly work? Companies just get to break the law and no one can ever take them to court over it?
    - jessriedel 2y ago
      I’m not suggesting the justice system should change. I’m suggesting that civil servants who file and lose a ton of suits should be presumed to be doing net harm. Just as we would for prosecutors in criminal law. And when it’s politically motivated, it is not just harm in the sense of economic inefficiency, but further is unjust and lowers public trust in institutions.
      - yathaid 2y ago
        [flagged]
enragedcacti 2y ago
The FTC has succeeded at a lot of things that just aren't very interesting to report on. I'd recommend reading through FTC press releases. They generally release a statement whenever a major action is started and resolved. By my count in the past year or so the FTC was involved in at least 12 successful anti-monopoly actions (I counted modified mergers, killed mergers, and divestments). The most consequential merger win was probably the NVIDIA/ARM merger that died under FTC litigation. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/02/statement-regarding-termination-nvidia-corps-attempted-acquisition-arm-ltd https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/02/...
- jjtheblunt 2y ago
  Thanks...that's the insight i was hoping for, great links. much appreciated.
- ta132141242 2y ago
  Of the reports linked, didn't look very inconsequential. A light touch maybe.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/never-seen-anything-like-it-the-biggest https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/never-seen-anything-like-...
tick_tock_tick 2y ago
Her massive political overreach has achieved the goal. The chilly effect on all the behavior they want to stop but don't have the authority too. It's basically the executive sidestepping the legislator and blocking perfectly legal behavior by the threat of burying it in such long and expensive lawsuits it's not longer viable.

Multicomp 2y ago

Not GP. I would say that her effectiveness is both in Fire and Motion [1], while one wants more Fire, before the status quo was not only no fire, but also no motion. Even the motion is a good starting point that businesses are having management adapt their strategies and plans to account for the motion, just out self-interested risk mitigation in case there is more fire than there currently is today, and that fire gets trained on them. [1] https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/ https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/

BoiledCabbage 2y ago
A good analogy, but I think you swapped the meaning of fire and motion in your usage of it. In this case, her cases even if lost would be the equivalent of cover fire. Businesses need to re-act to the cover fire and cannot advance (perform their own motion) while she is firing. The second part is that you would hope/expect her to be able to gain territory in the near future via the "motion" part of the strategy. So I agree in your framing, just from my perspective you flipped the terminology.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
That seems really bad for the government to be doing this. If she is losing, then using the resources of the government to harass businesses that are acting lawfully seems like fascism.
- immibis 2y ago
  harassing shitty actors, even if they're technically obeying the law, is not fascism

givemeethekeys 2y ago

I suppose the question is - despite her failures, do we agree with the policy that she / the Biden administration are pushing? If so, then if she isn't the right person for the job, is there someone who will be more successful?

hughesjj 2y ago

> didn't fail or get shot down as political overreach? Progress requires testing the system and seeing where the failure points are. It's significantly better than the relative nothing we've gotten from past admins. Also with the current judicial and congressional makeup it's a wonder anything gets done.

jjtheblunt 2y ago
but things that do get done were definitely critically reviewed, so that's something.
jessriedel 2y ago
Using public resources to sue companies, force them to pay for expensive defense in court, and then losing when the court decides they did nothing illegal?
- Hasu 2y ago
  Yes, that is how our justice system works. First, the government accuses you of a crime, then they have to prove that you committed it, and you get to defend yourself. How else could it possibly work? Companies just get to break the law and no one can ever take them to court over it?
  - jessriedel 2y ago
    I’m not suggesting the justice system should change. I’m suggesting that civil servants who file and lose a ton of suits should be presumed to be doing net harm. Just as we would for prosecutors in criminal law. And when it’s politically motivated, it is not just harm in the sense of economic inefficiency, but further is unjust and lowers public trust in institutions.
    - yathaid 2y ago
      [flagged]

enragedcacti 2y ago

The FTC has succeeded at a lot of things that just aren't very interesting to report on. I'd recommend reading through FTC press releases. They generally release a statement whenever a major action is started and resolved. By my count in the past year or so the FTC was involved in at least 12 successful anti-monopoly actions (I counted modified mergers, killed mergers, and divestments). The most consequential merger win was probably the NVIDIA/ARM merger that died under FTC litigation. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/02/statement-regarding-termination-nvidia-corps-attempted-acquisition-arm-ltd https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/02/...

jjtheblunt 2y ago
Thanks...that's the insight i was hoping for, great links. much appreciated.
ta132141242 2y ago
Of the reports linked, didn't look very inconsequential. A light touch maybe.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/never-seen-anything-like-it-the-biggest https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/never-seen-anything-like-...

tick_tock_tick 2y ago

Her massive political overreach has achieved the goal. The chilly effect on all the behavior they want to stop but don't have the authority too. It's basically the executive sidestepping the legislator and blocking perfectly legal behavior by the threat of burying it in such long and expensive lawsuits it's not longer viable.