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And here we can see how their electricity generation has fallen https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&interval=year&year=-1 https://ener

And here we can see how their electricity generation has fallen https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&interval=year&year=-1 https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE...

ZeroGravitas 2y ago
And in France: https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=FR&interval=year&year=-1 https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=FR... Note that France has lost more nuclear generation than Germany over this period.
- chickenbig 2y ago
  Good news; France’s nuclear output is forecast to bounce back to the 340-365TWh range this year. https://www.edf.fr/en/the-edf-group/dedicated-sections/journalists/all-press-releases/edf-estimates-higher-nuclear-power-generation-in-france-for-2024 https://www.edf.fr/en/the-edf-group/dedicated-sections/journ...
Krasnol 2y ago
Where are all those rolling blackouts we've been promised by the fearmongering of the nuclear-astroturf? Weird eh? Maybe it's not always clever to use US-logic on the rest of the world. Germany is not Texas.
- pfdietz 2y ago
  Texas, where new nuclear has been dead in the water for years. > “The cost of new nuclear is prohibitive for us to be investing in,” says Crane. Exelon considered building two new reactors in Texas in 2005, he says, when gas prices were $8/MMBtu and were projected to rise to $13/MMBtu. At that price, the project would have been viable with a CO2 tax of $25 per ton. “We’re sitting here trading 2019 gas at $2.90 per MMBtu,” he says; for new nuclear power to be competitive at that price, a CO2 tax “would be $300–$400.” Exelon currently is placing its bets instead on advances in energy storage and carbon sequestration technologies. (passage from Dec. 2018 Physics Today; Texas natural gas is even cheaper than that now)
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    The point is it’s not the technology that is the issue in Texas - it’s unhinged turbo capitalism
    - pfdietz 2y ago
      It's a system where it's more difficult for utilities to ram through uncompetitive capital intensive projects by way of capture of the state regulatory agencies. If that's "unhinged", hinge-ness is overrated.
  - natmaka 2y ago
    Texas, albeit culturally/politically swimming in fossil fuel, pushes hard towards renewables: https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/infrastructure/2024/energy-info/ https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/infrastru...
- Moldoteck 2y ago
  it didn't happen because germany increased imports by a lot. 20TWh this year so far
  - natmaka 2y ago
    Nearly each and every nation imports and exports, in order to optimize (better import low-cost or low-emission electricity than locally generate it thanks to some expensive and dirty plant). The yearly balance (imports - exports) is key.
    - Moldoteck 2y ago
      I meant net imports. France alone net exported to Germany 11TWh from those 20
      - natmaka 2y ago
        Uh? 2023 (last full year): 9.34 / 8.92 Source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&year=2023 https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=...
        Moldoteck 2y ago
        I may be wrong, but this year = 2024, not 2023. Per your source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&year=2024 https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=...
        natmaka 2y ago
        I may be wrong, but 2024 isn't yet a full year. Moreover FR/DE isn't the main path anymore, and as DE sometimes plays as a gateway we have to take the complete balance into account.
        Moldoteck 2y ago

ZeroGravitas 2y ago

And in France: https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=FR&interval=year&year=-1 https://energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&c=FR... Note that France has lost more nuclear generation than Germany over this period.

chickenbig 2y ago
Good news; France’s nuclear output is forecast to bounce back to the 340-365TWh range this year. https://www.edf.fr/en/the-edf-group/dedicated-sections/journalists/all-press-releases/edf-estimates-higher-nuclear-power-generation-in-france-for-2024 https://www.edf.fr/en/the-edf-group/dedicated-sections/journ...

Krasnol 2y ago

Where are all those rolling blackouts we've been promised by the fearmongering of the nuclear-astroturf? Weird eh? Maybe it's not always clever to use US-logic on the rest of the world. Germany is not Texas.

pfdietz 2y ago
Texas, where new nuclear has been dead in the water for years. > “The cost of new nuclear is prohibitive for us to be investing in,” says Crane. Exelon considered building two new reactors in Texas in 2005, he says, when gas prices were $8/MMBtu and were projected to rise to $13/MMBtu. At that price, the project would have been viable with a CO2 tax of $25 per ton. “We’re sitting here trading 2019 gas at $2.90 per MMBtu,” he says; for new nuclear power to be competitive at that price, a CO2 tax “would be $300–$400.” Exelon currently is placing its bets instead on advances in energy storage and carbon sequestration technologies. (passage from Dec. 2018 Physics Today; Texas natural gas is even cheaper than that now)
- portaouflop 2y ago
  The point is it’s not the technology that is the issue in Texas - it’s unhinged turbo capitalism
  - pfdietz 2y ago
    It's a system where it's more difficult for utilities to ram through uncompetitive capital intensive projects by way of capture of the state regulatory agencies. If that's "unhinged", hinge-ness is overrated.
- natmaka 2y ago
  Texas, albeit culturally/politically swimming in fossil fuel, pushes hard towards renewables: https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/infrastructure/2024/energy-info/ https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/fiscal-notes/infrastru...
Moldoteck 2y ago
it didn't happen because germany increased imports by a lot. 20TWh this year so far
- natmaka 2y ago
  Nearly each and every nation imports and exports, in order to optimize (better import low-cost or low-emission electricity than locally generate it thanks to some expensive and dirty plant). The yearly balance (imports - exports) is key.
  - Moldoteck 2y ago
    I meant net imports. France alone net exported to Germany 11TWh from those 20
    - natmaka 2y ago
      Uh? 2023 (last full year): 9.34 / 8.92 Source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&year=2023 https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=...
      - Moldoteck 2y ago
        I may be wrong, but this year = 2024, not 2023. Per your source: https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&year=2024 https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=...
        natmaka 2y ago
        I may be wrong, but 2024 isn't yet a full year. Moreover FR/DE isn't the main path anymore, and as DE sometimes plays as a gateway we have to take the complete balance into account.
        Moldoteck 2y ago