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US tendency to respond with sanctions to every problem big or small will be what brings down the empire eventually.
by nujabe 2y ago
US tendency to respond with sanctions to every problem big or small will be what brings down the empire eventually.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y agoWhat else can they do?
- doctorpangloss 2y agoWhy does the invisible hand of the market work out in every case except this one? There are a bajillion egregious things going on in the App Store. Why draw the line for Federal intervention here? Is there a sincere answer?
- buran77 2y agoCan? Anything that a mighty military, economic, and political power allows. Should? Maybe walk their talk? Too many times the US is criticizing countries like China for doing something only to turn around and do the very same thing but sprinkled with a "feel-good" explanation. This [0] will never get old. [0] https://www.brokenfrontier.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/homeland-tom-guald.jpg https://www.brokenfrontier.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ho...
- horsebridge 2y agoGot any suggestions for this situation (invasion of Ukraine)?
- buran77 2y agoYour unrelated question is posed as a challenge to what I said, without actually challenging anything I said. Worse, it suggests banning Kaspersky from the Google Play Store is "a suggestion for the situation", whatever that might mean.
- mynameisvlad 2y agoYour points, while well and true, are not really relevant in the current thread. The US isn't "criticizing countries ... for doing something only to turn around and do the very same thing but sprinkled with a "feel-good" explanation." in terms of the situation in Ukraine. Either show they are, or provide a suggestion to the thing we're actually talking about.
- hakfoo 2y agoTo be blunt, we need to find some endgame that allows the Russians to feel like they won something. Yes, there has been tragic carnage. You can call me Neville Chamberlain, and insist I'm rewarding a bully for being a bully. But this conflict is reaping the proceeds of 30 years of whittling down the Russian sphere of influence and global respect. Even Putin's rise fits well into that narrative-- if Russia had been pulled closer to Europe after 1991, had a less catastrophic switch to private enterprise, had an economic rebirth more like, say, Estonia, would his brand of politics have gotten any traction in the first place? We could see this coming and did nothing to prevent it. If the war is dragged out until it delivers, say, "a return to 1991 borders and some show trials at the Hague", there's no way that the Russian people don't spend decades in a full scale decoupling and brooding at the West. Even if Putin disappears, there are plenty of others who can stoke that fire. Worst case, you get a DPRK-style hermit state that spans 14 time zones with the industrial capacity and natural resources to back up its resentment. Conversely, making a quick deal where they walk away as "winners"-- if you don't want to give them Donetsk, how about Cyprus-- lets us pivot towards breaking down the "Russia vs the West" narrative. Try to restructure some international organizations to ensure Russia feels like a respected participant instead of a pariah. Give them opportunities to use their military capability for peacemaking and retaining regional order-- let them have a sphere of influence they crave, but acknowledge it has costs. Develop some trade and joint-venture plans that aren't blatant plundering of a defeated foe. It took decades for many of the former Soviet-bloc states to fit into the modern European order, so we should start the countdown for Russia as soon as possible.
- barryrandall 2y agoCyberbullying achieves its goals more often than sanctions do, and the ROI is astronomical by comparison.
- stackskipton 2y agoAs a country, your option to respond to another country doing something you don't like is either A) Sanctions or B) Military Action. B used to be a ton more common so it feels like we are improving, not getting worse.
- buran77 2y ago> doing something you don't like I think people mostly aren't surprised that a country is taking action against an enemy, that's expected in general. What might raise an eyebrow here and there is when they're doing it via the exact same means they classified as anti-democratic, anti-free market, anti-freedom, etc. when their enemies were doing it. It's the hypocrisy of the explanation and the realization once you try to look beyond the veneer of righteousness that those giving the explanation think their own people must be at peak ignorance.
- stackskipton 2y agoSure, we make a ton of freedom noises. However, we also run into paradox of tolerance problem where entities exploit those freedom noises against us. So yea, we have to break those rules against entities who would use them against us.
- buran77 2y ago> Sure, we make a ton of freedom noises. As I said, the hypocrisy of the speech and perhaps the expectation that people will always swallow it (which sets a low bar for the opinion about those people) are what stands out, not that a country takes actions against an enemy. Atomic bombs were dropped in the name of peace, a minor phone app being banned can hardly be called "aggression".
- redserk 2y agoCan you name a single country that succeeded by following pedantic absolutism? I’ll wait.
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- wsatb 2y agoThis is quite sensationalist. There's a myriad of issues inside America's own borders that will bring down the empire.
- ladyanita22 2y agoNot anytime soon, buddy