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It's not just people trying to use telescopes to do science, it's also people like me trying to do astrophotography. Time on a LEO telescope, while cool, would

by fooqux 2y ago

It's not just people trying to use telescopes to do science, it's also people like me trying to do astrophotography. Time on a LEO telescope, while cool, would not help my photography.

bongodongobob 2y ago
As an astrophotographer myself, Starlink has caused me 0 issues. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to imply. Airplanes are the biggest issue but are easily edited out.
dylan604 2y ago
Um, how in the world would a LEO telescope not be the ultimate series in your photography collection?
- dotancohen 2y ago
  The hobby is the process, not the photograph. That said, Starlink affects the process only for about an hour after sunset and another hour before sunrise. And there are so many other things affecting that process that Starlink is neigh negligible. Well, actually, photographing Starlink itself is very satisfying and beautiful and a challenge in itself. I don't think that people actually making these complaints are in the hobby.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    So, the process of deciding what to image, pitching the idea as worthwhile, getting approved for scope time, and then getting the results to present how you want to would be underwhelming for you? As an amateur? You've got some pretty high standards if so. You and I both know that if this were to happen, it would be the first gallery of where ever you host your results. It would be framed on your wall somewhere. It would be the story you told everyone about. I love the "hobby" as well as it pretty much forces me to get out into nature well away from city lights. But I would absolutely do all of the things above and behold it as the crown jewel of hobby achievements.
    - itishappy 2y ago
      That's a completely different hobby. "Oh, you like golf? Have you considered paying a pro to give you one of their old scorecards? It'd be the best score in your collection!"
      - dylan604 2y ago
        No, it's more like you got permission to play on course you don't normally play having Tiger Woods as your caddy using his clubs and then you get to make the score card say whatever you want. But only if you really want to buy into the premise your response made any sense in the conversation
        itishappy 2y ago
        Do you... not buy into that premise that my comment makes sense in context? I thought it was pretty clear. The issue I take with your new scenario is that you're not the one swinging the club. You've been working on your stance, grip, and follow-through, but none of that is relevant because the clubs Tiger uses are 400 feet long and in space.
        dylan604 2y ago
        And how is this any different from people that are more advanced in their hobby with a setup in a remote location[0] with better viewing that your home so that just type in a few commands for their gear to start working and then receive an email/notification when things are done? Again, your premise is just strange. If you are using an auto-guide setup tracking on its own, then you're really not working the hobby as if you had your eyeball on the eyepiece manually tracking a guide star on an alt/az mount instead of equatorial mount. At this point "hobby" is really undefined in context, so saying that someone with more expensive toys is any less of a hobby than someone with less expensive gear is just moving the hole while someone is on the tee box to continue with this wild comparison [0] https://nmskies.com/ https://nmskies.com/
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
Manabu-eo 2y ago
One thing that is possible to do is to take multiple photos instead of a single long exposure and then merge them filtering satellites out. The quality overal will likely be better to, as the noise level can be lowered. It's possible to do a better denoise with temporal info than simply averaging the noise like a long exposure does.

by fooqux 2y ago

It's not just people trying to use telescopes to do science, it's also people like me trying to do astrophotography. Time on a LEO telescope, while cool, would not help my photography.

bongodongobob 2y ago

As an astrophotographer myself, Starlink has caused me 0 issues. I'm not sure if that's what you're trying to imply. Airplanes are the biggest issue but are easily edited out.

dylan604 2y ago

Um, how in the world would a LEO telescope not be the ultimate series in your photography collection?

dotancohen 2y ago
The hobby is the process, not the photograph. That said, Starlink affects the process only for about an hour after sunset and another hour before sunrise. And there are so many other things affecting that process that Starlink is neigh negligible. Well, actually, photographing Starlink itself is very satisfying and beautiful and a challenge in itself. I don't think that people actually making these complaints are in the hobby.
- dylan604 2y ago
  So, the process of deciding what to image, pitching the idea as worthwhile, getting approved for scope time, and then getting the results to present how you want to would be underwhelming for you? As an amateur? You've got some pretty high standards if so. You and I both know that if this were to happen, it would be the first gallery of where ever you host your results. It would be framed on your wall somewhere. It would be the story you told everyone about. I love the "hobby" as well as it pretty much forces me to get out into nature well away from city lights. But I would absolutely do all of the things above and behold it as the crown jewel of hobby achievements.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    That's a completely different hobby. "Oh, you like golf? Have you considered paying a pro to give you one of their old scorecards? It'd be the best score in your collection!"
    - dylan604 2y ago
      No, it's more like you got permission to play on course you don't normally play having Tiger Woods as your caddy using his clubs and then you get to make the score card say whatever you want. But only if you really want to buy into the premise your response made any sense in the conversation
      - itishappy 2y ago
        Do you... not buy into that premise that my comment makes sense in context? I thought it was pretty clear. The issue I take with your new scenario is that you're not the one swinging the club. You've been working on your stance, grip, and follow-through, but none of that is relevant because the clubs Tiger uses are 400 feet long and in space.
        dylan604 2y ago
        And how is this any different from people that are more advanced in their hobby with a setup in a remote location[0] with better viewing that your home so that just type in a few commands for their gear to start working and then receive an email/notification when things are done? Again, your premise is just strange. If you are using an auto-guide setup tracking on its own, then you're really not working the hobby as if you had your eyeball on the eyepiece manually tracking a guide star on an alt/az mount instead of equatorial mount. At this point "hobby" is really undefined in context, so saying that someone with more expensive toys is any less of a hobby than someone with less expensive gear is just moving the hole while someone is on the tee box to continue with this wild comparison [0] https://nmskies.com/ https://nmskies.com/
        jazzyjackson 2y ago

Manabu-eo 2y ago

One thing that is possible to do is to take multiple photos instead of a single long exposure and then merge them filtering satellites out. The quality overal will likely be better to, as the noise level can be lowered. It's possible to do a better denoise with temporal info than simply averaging the noise like a long exposure does.