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Android manufacturers weren't on stage touting their courage. Otherwise if that's the drum you want to beat, android makers were the first to push bigger and b

Android manufacturers weren't on stage touting their courage. Otherwise if that's the drum you want to beat, android makers were the first to push bigger and bigger screens ("phablets") and opened the door for Apple to also inflate it's devices, to the point where 6" is considered "small" by today's standard.

dagmx 2y ago
Youve completely and unsurprisingly missed the point. It’s irrelevant to Android phones whether Apple made the choice first or how they did it. Android manufacturers are able to be accountable for their own decisions. it’s even more irrelevant that Android phones had larger screens first, unless people on the Apple side are blaming Android manufacturers for the push to larger screens.
- dmonitor 2y ago
  > it’s even more irrelevant that Android phones had larger screens first, unless people on the Apple side are blaming Android manufacturers for the push to larger screens. I would be that person, but the iPhone mini showed the market just isn't there for it :(
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    If we look at the Pixel 4a which was a 5"8 screen, straight in the middle of the mini (5"4) and the regular iPhone (6"1). It had extremly good sales, and of course the super low price is a major factor in it, but it also was very well reviewed and people flocked to it as one of the best smallish phone at the time. Then of course Google just went bigger for their garbage 5G variant of it which just trashed battery life, and all subsequent phones doing ML with the Tensor processor also went bigger. It makes me think it's not a matter of commercial success, or even if there's a market for it. The issue is probably the massive incentives on the maker side to push a bigger battery to deal with more computation and push the device price upper to get better margins.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  We can keep each maker accountable for their own decisions, while blaming the company pushing the Overton window on what the customer will accept as regressions. I don't see how the two are exclusive.
  - dagmx 2y ago
    They’re not exclusive but that’s also not what you or the person I initially responded to were doing, now was it? If we’re actually looking at both of your responses and not a retroactive framing of them. Neither one of your comments did anything but levy shots at Apple, and neither even mentioned the Android manufacturers part in it. In fact your own reply starts of with blaming solely Apple. Your only mention of Android is how they did bigger screens first.
    - makeitdouble 2y ago
      > In fact your own reply starts of with blaming solely Apple. Your only mention of Android is how they did bigger screens first. This sub-thread started about Apple, addressing it first feels logical to me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762229 My other response was enterely focused on Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4177226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4177226

dagmx 2y ago

Youve completely and unsurprisingly missed the point. It’s irrelevant to Android phones whether Apple made the choice first or how they did it. Android manufacturers are able to be accountable for their own decisions. it’s even more irrelevant that Android phones had larger screens first, unless people on the Apple side are blaming Android manufacturers for the push to larger screens.

dmonitor 2y ago
> it’s even more irrelevant that Android phones had larger screens first, unless people on the Apple side are blaming Android manufacturers for the push to larger screens. I would be that person, but the iPhone mini showed the market just isn't there for it :(
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  If we look at the Pixel 4a which was a 5"8 screen, straight in the middle of the mini (5"4) and the regular iPhone (6"1). It had extremly good sales, and of course the super low price is a major factor in it, but it also was very well reviewed and people flocked to it as one of the best smallish phone at the time. Then of course Google just went bigger for their garbage 5G variant of it which just trashed battery life, and all subsequent phones doing ML with the Tensor processor also went bigger. It makes me think it's not a matter of commercial success, or even if there's a market for it. The issue is probably the massive incentives on the maker side to push a bigger battery to deal with more computation and push the device price upper to get better margins.
makeitdouble 2y ago
We can keep each maker accountable for their own decisions, while blaming the company pushing the Overton window on what the customer will accept as regressions. I don't see how the two are exclusive.
- dagmx 2y ago
  They’re not exclusive but that’s also not what you or the person I initially responded to were doing, now was it? If we’re actually looking at both of your responses and not a retroactive framing of them. Neither one of your comments did anything but levy shots at Apple, and neither even mentioned the Android manufacturers part in it. In fact your own reply starts of with blaming solely Apple. Your only mention of Android is how they did bigger screens first.
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    > In fact your own reply starts of with blaming solely Apple. Your only mention of Android is how they did bigger screens first. This sub-thread started about Apple, addressing it first feels logical to me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762229 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41762229 My other response was enterely focused on Google: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4177226 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4177226