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I wonder how far we will move the goalposts once we have a multimodal transformer type model running on neuromorphic hardware.
by ImHereToVote 2y ago
I wonder how far we will move the goalposts once we have a multimodal transformer type model running on neuromorphic hardware.
- welferkj 2y agoLots of people involved in explaining away AI are labouring under the axiom that intelligence is mysterious. Therefore, if I can understand how a system works, it logically follows that it can't be intelligent.
- lucubratory 2y agoI predict that many of those people will continue to believe that up until human cognition is mechanistically understood, at which point there will be some other reason that humans are "real" thinkers and machines are not. The problem is that theoretical opposition to the existence of AIs is incompatible with materialism and thus just doesn't fit with our world, which is very much built using the scientific truths that materialism enables us to discover.
- welferkj 2y agoIt is insane to me that views of consciousness and cognition other than physicalism still exist in mainstream scientific and philosophical discourse. As far as I can tell, no matter how much discourse you dress it up in, any alternative boils down to "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".
- dartos 2y agoWe… can’t really understand how neural networks work, but we can definitely tell they’re not intelligent beyond making good sounding word soup (as demonstrated in their minimal practical reasoning abilities) I wouldn’t call pagerank intelligent, even though I can give it a text prompt and get relevant information back. In my view, the only difference between that and an llm is the natural language interface. I’m no expert on intelligence, but I’d expect being able to introspect and continually learn to be part of it.
- welferkj 2y agoYou're engaging in explaining away intelligence. One way to help you notice this is to try and estimate how many billions of people you've defined out of "being intelligent" with your latest goalpost movement. Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis?
- cootsnuck 2y ago> Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis? That's wild if you think that isn't quite literally one of the defining features of human consciousness (and many would say other animals as well). If you think people thinking differently than you means they don't still indeed...think...then I don't know what tell you.
- welferkj 2y agoUnfortunately for the intelligence denial crowd, introspection and learning capability is something we can measure, as opposed to the vibes-based discourse you prefer to engage in. If that's what you've picked for your threshold of "intelligence", you've reduced the majority of the bell curve's left side to soulless automatons. Again, your definition, not mine.
- dartos 2y agoMy definition (again, as a layman on the subject of intelligence philosophy), but your incorrect analysis. I guess I just think more highly of my fellow humans.
- exe34 2y ago> I guess I just think more highly of my fellow humans. As an article of faith, yes. But I don't see what this adds to the discussion.
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- joloooo 2y agoI think there is a difference from people upset around over hyped LLMs and arguing about intelligence in "A.I.". Most of the "intelligence" arguments I've seen are fighting against putting too much stock in chatgpt and Sam's fever dreams.
- a-dub 2y agothe goalposts for what?
- ImHereToVote 2y agoLiteral goalpost in a game of football of course. Or soccer if you are an American.
- a-dub 2y agothanks. you seem to think that a spiking multimodal variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware would demarcate a goal of some sort, which one? for as far as i can see, the achievement would just be a spiking multimodel variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware.
- ImHereToVote 2y agoI bet you are great at playing blackjack, but suck at Texas hold 'em.
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