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Will they keep this up? Probably. Indefinitely? Likely not. But look at what it’s done. There are compelling ARM hardware outside of Apple now due to the renais

Will they keep this up? Probably. Indefinitely? Likely not. But look at what it’s done. There are compelling ARM hardware outside of Apple now due to the renaissance in performance that this am series chip has shown. I’ve an M3 max and now I can’t wait to see what an M4 max will do. 256GB ram in the top end laptop? 25-50% more cores?

kev009 2y ago
That's a good point.. I wonder how much network effect this has on substantiating ARM in server space too. Vendors have been trying that since the early twenty-teens and it was not going anywhere fast until Apple shipped the M1. I don't think it is a direct cause->correlation, but the existence of high powered dev machines running clang and gcc certainly lowers a lot of frictions even in higher level languages like Go.
- dagmx 2y ago
  Anecdotally, a lot of software in the graphics space didn’t have arm availability till after the M series were released. A lot of the windows/linux arm ports of libraries didn’t exist till after despite having hardware available earlier. My work on Linux clusters was dramatically improved. Having even one vendor prove that arm is worth paying attention to is the tide that lifts the ships of all other vendors in the arm space .
- sofixa 2y ago
  AWS' Graviton line was released in 2018 to much fanfare, and there was a lot of content about all the cost savings per performance it brings immediately. Ampere were founded in 2017, and in early 2020 announced partnerships with Oracle for ARM based servers M1 came out in November 2020. A lot of Linux tools and systems and applications became available thanks to Raspberry Pis becoming very popular with hobbyists, and then Graviton pushing more "enterprise" stuff. For more user facing GUI-powered applications, it lagged, and still lags, but there Apple and Microsoft's ARM efforts were the main driving force.
cheema33 2y ago
> There are compelling ARM hardware outside of Apple now Not only that, this may have finally forced Intel to innovate. Their new Lunar Lake CPUs coming out now are actually competitive with Apple chips for both performance and power. I thought I might not see X86 become competitive again in my lifetime.
- sofixa 2y ago
  > Their new Lunar Lake CPUs coming out now are actually competitive with Apple chips for both performance and power. I thought I might not see X86 become competitive again in my lifetime. I hadn't heard about them, so Googled it and... "Manufacturered by: TSMC". So Intel's inefficiency was more due to their fabs being behind than inherent x86 downsides?
- jodleif 2y ago
  They might be competitive on battery-life, but definitely not performance per watt.

kev009 2y ago

That's a good point.. I wonder how much network effect this has on substantiating ARM in server space too. Vendors have been trying that since the early twenty-teens and it was not going anywhere fast until Apple shipped the M1. I don't think it is a direct cause->correlation, but the existence of high powered dev machines running clang and gcc certainly lowers a lot of frictions even in higher level languages like Go.

dagmx 2y ago
Anecdotally, a lot of software in the graphics space didn’t have arm availability till after the M series were released. A lot of the windows/linux arm ports of libraries didn’t exist till after despite having hardware available earlier. My work on Linux clusters was dramatically improved. Having even one vendor prove that arm is worth paying attention to is the tide that lifts the ships of all other vendors in the arm space .
sofixa 2y ago
AWS' Graviton line was released in 2018 to much fanfare, and there was a lot of content about all the cost savings per performance it brings immediately. Ampere were founded in 2017, and in early 2020 announced partnerships with Oracle for ARM based servers M1 came out in November 2020. A lot of Linux tools and systems and applications became available thanks to Raspberry Pis becoming very popular with hobbyists, and then Graviton pushing more "enterprise" stuff. For more user facing GUI-powered applications, it lagged, and still lags, but there Apple and Microsoft's ARM efforts were the main driving force.

cheema33 2y ago

> There are compelling ARM hardware outside of Apple now Not only that, this may have finally forced Intel to innovate. Their new Lunar Lake CPUs coming out now are actually competitive with Apple chips for both performance and power. I thought I might not see X86 become competitive again in my lifetime.

sofixa 2y ago
> Their new Lunar Lake CPUs coming out now are actually competitive with Apple chips for both performance and power. I thought I might not see X86 become competitive again in my lifetime. I hadn't heard about them, so Googled it and... "Manufacturered by: TSMC". So Intel's inefficiency was more due to their fabs being behind than inherent x86 downsides?
jodleif 2y ago
They might be competitive on battery-life, but definitely not performance per watt.