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I'm not going to lie, my first response was: Wait, what, you think we need another web framework? .....buuuut, if you spend more than 5 second actually readin

I'm not going to lie, my first response was: Wait, what, you think we need another web framework? .....buuuut, if you spend more than 5 second actually reading the article... > This doesn't exist right now, and I'm not sure if anyone else is working on it. All paths seem to lead me toward "whoops I guess I'm building a web framework." I hope someone else builds one, too, so we can have multiple options. ... > My toolkit is called nicole's web toolkit, or newt. It's available in a public repository, but it's really not usable (the latest changes aren't even pushed yet). It's not even usable for me yet—this isn't a launch post, more shipping my design doc ie. -> https://git.sr.ht/~ntietz/newt/tree https://git.sr.ht/~ntietz/newt/tree Is where you can find the code, for what they're trying to make, to fill this gap. Sure. Not a web framework. An all in one opinionated good out of the box defaults like rails. Yes, there's no django/rails for rust. Or go. Or clojure. In fact, a lot of people have tried to make all-in-one frameworks, but usually the way the wind blows is that doing something specific is easy, but doing something flexible and generic is hard, a lot of work, and unless you're being paid to do it, it's a loveless job that eventually you get sick of and abandon. I feel like if you're really going to go and write a rails clone, you need to spend a little bit of time digging into some of the other failed attempts and reasons they failed (eg. 1, 2, 3) first. The landscape is littered with aborted rails clones. It's perhaps... fun, but ultimately futile and naive, to think you can be 'the one that makes it' when so many others have failed, if you don't take the time to understand why so very very very VERY many attempts to do this in many languages has failed. (NB. Not to pick on clojure; I could have picked a bunch of go examples instead, but I guess the clojure failures have been particularly visible to me since I use clojure, and it's a place where, like rust, currently there are a lot of 'bits and pieces you can assemble yourself' and it feels like, surely just slapping them all together in one package can't be that hard...) [1] - "Clojure needs a Rails" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32288291 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32288291 [2] - "A Rails like framework for Clojure." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=822210 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=822210 [3] - "Luminus – A Clojure Web Framework" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22852375 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22852375

pantulis 2y ago
> I feel like if you're really going to go and write a rails clone, you need to spend a little bit of time digging into some of the other failed attempts and reasons they failed (eg. 1, 2, 3) first. The idea of creating a "one man framework" like Rails in a systems programming language like Rust is a very tricky one. I don't think you can mimic the best productivity features of Rails without metaprogramming. Yes, you can do something like it, but the abstractions would leak all over the place making it uncomfortable for a Rust developer and not good enough for a Rails developer.

pantulis 2y ago

> I feel like if you're really going to go and write a rails clone, you need to spend a little bit of time digging into some of the other failed attempts and reasons they failed (eg. 1, 2, 3) first. The idea of creating a "one man framework" like Rails in a systems programming language like Rust is a very tricky one. I don't think you can mimic the best productivity features of Rails without metaprogramming. Yes, you can do something like it, but the abstractions would leak all over the place making it uncomfortable for a Rust developer and not good enough for a Rails developer.