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sometimes it seems folks are just making up words.

Arubis 2y ago
And even with a willingness to make up words, it’s STILL hard to name tech projects uniquely: https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet
- fnordpiglet 2y ago
  I’m flashing back to bapi
a-dub 2y ago
neuromorphic hardware is just hardware that has biologically inspired designs. spiking neural networks are artificial neural networks that actually simulate the dynamics of spiking neurons. rather than sums, ramps and squashing, they simulate actual spike trains and the integration of energy that occurs in the dendrites. neuromorphic hardware can range from specialized asics for doing these simulations efficiently to more experimental hybrid analog-digital systems that use analog elements to do more of the computation. it's all very cool stuff, but i tend to think of snns as similar to the wings on the avion 3 where simplified unit functions look more like a modern jet wing. but who knows, maybe the neuromorphic route will open the door to far more efficient computations. personally, i'm very excited about potential wins that could come from novel computational substrates!
- ImHereToVote 2y ago
  I wonder how far we will move the goalposts once we have a multimodal transformer type model running on neuromorphic hardware.
  - welferkj 2y ago
    Lots of people involved in explaining away AI are labouring under the axiom that intelligence is mysterious. Therefore, if I can understand how a system works, it logically follows that it can't be intelligent.
    - lucubratory 2y ago
      I predict that many of those people will continue to believe that up until human cognition is mechanistically understood, at which point there will be some other reason that humans are "real" thinkers and machines are not. The problem is that theoretical opposition to the existence of AIs is incompatible with materialism and thus just doesn't fit with our world, which is very much built using the scientific truths that materialism enables us to discover.
      - welferkj 2y ago
        It is insane to me that views of consciousness and cognition other than physicalism still exist in mainstream scientific and philosophical discourse. As far as I can tell, no matter how much discourse you dress it up in, any alternative boils down to "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".
    - dartos 2y ago
      We… can’t really understand how neural networks work, but we can definitely tell they’re not intelligent beyond making good sounding word soup (as demonstrated in their minimal practical reasoning abilities) I wouldn’t call pagerank intelligent, even though I can give it a text prompt and get relevant information back. In my view, the only difference between that and an llm is the natural language interface. I’m no expert on intelligence, but I’d expect being able to introspect and continually learn to be part of it.
      - welferkj 2y ago
        You're engaging in explaining away intelligence. One way to help you notice this is to try and estimate how many billions of people you've defined out of "being intelligent" with your latest goalpost movement. Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis?
        cootsnuck 2y ago
        > Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis? That's wild if you think that isn't quite literally one of the defining features of human consciousness (and many would say other animals as well). If you think people thinking differently than you means they don't still indeed...think...then I don't know what tell you.
  - a-dub 2y ago
    the goalposts for what?
    - ImHereToVote 2y ago
      Literal goalpost in a game of football of course. Or soccer if you are an American.
      - a-dub 2y ago
        thanks. you seem to think that a spiking multimodal variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware would demarcate a goal of some sort, which one? for as far as i can see, the achievement would just be a spiking multimodel variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware.
        ImHereToVote 2y ago
        I bet you are great at playing blackjack, but suck at Texas hold 'em.
        deleted 2y ago
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ithkuil 2y ago
To be fair, all words are made up. Words are useful to the extent they effectively communicate with the intended audience. This can be accomplished by a mix of familiarity (has this word been already used enough in the target audience with the intended meaning) and the ability to evoke new meanings by intuitive derivation rules (word composition, affixes, ...) In the case of this title, fwiw, it was perfectly clear to me what this was about because I'm already familiar with related topics and they were using the same terminology

And even with a willingness to make up words, it’s STILL hard to name tech projects uniquely: https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet https://github.com/sorbet/sorbet

fnordpiglet 2y ago
I’m flashing back to bapi

a-dub 2y ago

neuromorphic hardware is just hardware that has biologically inspired designs. spiking neural networks are artificial neural networks that actually simulate the dynamics of spiking neurons. rather than sums, ramps and squashing, they simulate actual spike trains and the integration of energy that occurs in the dendrites. neuromorphic hardware can range from specialized asics for doing these simulations efficiently to more experimental hybrid analog-digital systems that use analog elements to do more of the computation. it's all very cool stuff, but i tend to think of snns as similar to the wings on the avion 3 where simplified unit functions look more like a modern jet wing. but who knows, maybe the neuromorphic route will open the door to far more efficient computations. personally, i'm very excited about potential wins that could come from novel computational substrates!

ImHereToVote 2y ago
I wonder how far we will move the goalposts once we have a multimodal transformer type model running on neuromorphic hardware.
- welferkj 2y ago
  Lots of people involved in explaining away AI are labouring under the axiom that intelligence is mysterious. Therefore, if I can understand how a system works, it logically follows that it can't be intelligent.
  - lucubratory 2y ago
    I predict that many of those people will continue to believe that up until human cognition is mechanistically understood, at which point there will be some other reason that humans are "real" thinkers and machines are not. The problem is that theoretical opposition to the existence of AIs is incompatible with materialism and thus just doesn't fit with our world, which is very much built using the scientific truths that materialism enables us to discover.
    - welferkj 2y ago
      It is insane to me that views of consciousness and cognition other than physicalism still exist in mainstream scientific and philosophical discourse. As far as I can tell, no matter how much discourse you dress it up in, any alternative boils down to "it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit".
  - dartos 2y ago
    We… can’t really understand how neural networks work, but we can definitely tell they’re not intelligent beyond making good sounding word soup (as demonstrated in their minimal practical reasoning abilities) I wouldn’t call pagerank intelligent, even though I can give it a text prompt and get relevant information back. In my view, the only difference between that and an llm is the natural language interface. I’m no expert on intelligence, but I’d expect being able to introspect and continually learn to be part of it.
    - welferkj 2y ago
      You're engaging in explaining away intelligence. One way to help you notice this is to try and estimate how many billions of people you've defined out of "being intelligent" with your latest goalpost movement. Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis?
      - cootsnuck 2y ago
        > Be honest, how many people do you think "introspect and continually learn" on a daily basis? That's wild if you think that isn't quite literally one of the defining features of human consciousness (and many would say other animals as well). If you think people thinking differently than you means they don't still indeed...think...then I don't know what tell you.
- a-dub 2y ago
  the goalposts for what?
  - ImHereToVote 2y ago
    Literal goalpost in a game of football of course. Or soccer if you are an American.
    - a-dub 2y ago
      thanks. you seem to think that a spiking multimodal variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware would demarcate a goal of some sort, which one? for as far as i can see, the achievement would just be a spiking multimodel variant of transformers on neuromorphic hardware.
      - ImHereToVote 2y ago
        I bet you are great at playing blackjack, but suck at Texas hold 'em.
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]

ithkuil 2y ago

To be fair, all words are made up. Words are useful to the extent they effectively communicate with the intended audience. This can be accomplished by a mix of familiarity (has this word been already used enough in the target audience with the intended meaning) and the ability to evoke new meanings by intuitive derivation rules (word composition, affixes, ...) In the case of this title, fwiw, it was perfectly clear to me what this was about because I'm already familiar with related topics and they were using the same terminology