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I built this in like 2003. https://web.archive.org/web/20030212162207/http://reversible.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20030212162207/http://reversible... It

by joshu 2y ago

I built this in like 2003. https://web.archive.org/web/20030212162207/http://reversible.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20030212162207/http://reversible... It didn’t work, so I built del.icio.us instead.

cr125rider 2y ago
Web discoverability still seems like a challenge. Lots of echo chamber algorithms feeding to engagement/rage. Whats the next step?
- aleclarsoniv 2y ago
  I'd love to hear more about your experience with web discoverability, as I'm making a product that aims to help with that. Email me at alec.stanford.larson @ gmail I don't know if much can be done about echo chambers. People seem to like their echo chambers. For those who are sick of such environments, I've designed another system (not yet part of the product I mentioned above) that I believe has the potential to breed a place of authenticity on the internet.
motionid 2y ago
Wow. Status and age in a single comment. Loved del.icio.us
CartwheelLinux 2y ago
What a throw back This defined, in many ways, how link associations on the web were/are percieved
audiodude 2y ago
Loved del.ico.us, thanks! I'm using https://pinboard.in/ https://pinboard.in/ now for bookmarking and it's an amazing piece of small web software.
- dgellow 2y ago
  Small note: pinboard owns delicious since 2017!
renegat0x0 2y ago
Oh well. I also could not find bookmark manager that suit my needs. So I have built it. https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive I wanted something self host able, with easy export/import, with simple search ability, support for many crawling capabilities etc. etc.
wslh 2y ago
Not del.icio.us (Thanks for all the fish!), but I experimented with bookmarklets [1] embedding JavaScript back in the 2000s as a way to create an independent bookmark system for browsers. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet
- joshu 2y ago
  yes. delicious was the multiuser rewrite of a previous system from 1999 or so. first archive save is 2002 but i was already writing delicious at that point. https://web.archive.org/web/20020525043925/http://muxway.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20020525043925/http://muxway.org...
joshu 2y ago
More details. https://web.archive.org/web/20030326132356/http://about.reversible.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20030326132356/http://about.reve...
pikematchbox 2y ago
We very much would not be working on this if not for your earlier work! However, despite writing a grant proposal in which I had to research the history of backlinks and attempts at implementing them, I had not known about Reversible. And it's super cool to find out about. A lot of the questions on the "Further questions, problems, observations" list for Reversible are front and center for us, and we're hoping to demonstrate some answers to them as we roll things out to more real world users. When my collaborator saw this he said "isn't our whole point 2003 had some good ideas that we want to revisit with perspective from today.” Also -- Memepool was an early fav of mine and an inspiration for https://mothra.click/ https://mothra.click/, which I built in 45 minutes for my wife, who has never owned a smartphone, so I could send her links. Getting lazy about updating it meant "Wanting to post to mothra.click easier" had a non-zero impact on the existence of Octothorpes.
- joshu 2y ago
  Yep. Delicious came from muxway, which itself was built to help with running Memepool…
  - pikematchbox 2y ago
    Oh interesting. Were you thinking of the "subjects" on Memepool as tags already?
    - joshu 2y ago
      Not really. Memepool way predated that (1998?)
      - pikematchbox 2y ago
        Was there a clear point where TAGS emerged as a distinct concept to you or was it a more gradual movement from the "subject" days? I read Maciej's account of ingesting A03s giant tag ecosystem in which he quotes you calling tags "a reverse search engine." That stuck with me as an insight that doesn't come up as much in a world where we take tags for granted. Curious how you got from Memepool to there.
asjir 2y ago
Oh, on the reversible webpage it's written that categories are by users so it's like wiki - At first I thought that it's done by any user and not pages authors. But now I'm interpreting it as just authors, just like in Octothorpes.

by joshu 2y ago

cr125rider 2y ago

Web discoverability still seems like a challenge. Lots of echo chamber algorithms feeding to engagement/rage. Whats the next step?

aleclarsoniv 2y ago
I'd love to hear more about your experience with web discoverability, as I'm making a product that aims to help with that. Email me at alec.stanford.larson @ gmail I don't know if much can be done about echo chambers. People seem to like their echo chambers. For those who are sick of such environments, I've designed another system (not yet part of the product I mentioned above) that I believe has the potential to breed a place of authenticity on the internet.

motionid 2y ago

Wow. Status and age in a single comment. Loved del.icio.us

CartwheelLinux 2y ago

What a throw back This defined, in many ways, how link associations on the web were/are percieved

audiodude 2y ago

Loved del.ico.us, thanks! I'm using https://pinboard.in/ https://pinboard.in/ now for bookmarking and it's an amazing piece of small web software.

dgellow 2y ago
Small note: pinboard owns delicious since 2017!

renegat0x0 2y ago

Oh well. I also could not find bookmark manager that suit my needs. So I have built it. https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive https://github.com/rumca-js/Django-link-archive I wanted something self host able, with easy export/import, with simple search ability, support for many crawling capabilities etc. etc.

wslh 2y ago

Not del.icio.us (Thanks for all the fish!), but I experimented with bookmarklets [1] embedding JavaScript back in the 2000s as a way to create an independent bookmark system for browsers. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet

joshu 2y ago
yes. delicious was the multiuser rewrite of a previous system from 1999 or so. first archive save is 2002 but i was already writing delicious at that point. https://web.archive.org/web/20020525043925/http://muxway.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20020525043925/http://muxway.org...

joshu 2y ago

More details. https://web.archive.org/web/20030326132356/http://about.reversible.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20030326132356/http://about.reve...

pikematchbox 2y ago

We very much would not be working on this if not for your earlier work! However, despite writing a grant proposal in which I had to research the history of backlinks and attempts at implementing them, I had not known about Reversible. And it's super cool to find out about. A lot of the questions on the "Further questions, problems, observations" list for Reversible are front and center for us, and we're hoping to demonstrate some answers to them as we roll things out to more real world users. When my collaborator saw this he said "isn't our whole point 2003 had some good ideas that we want to revisit with perspective from today.” Also -- Memepool was an early fav of mine and an inspiration for https://mothra.click/ https://mothra.click/, which I built in 45 minutes for my wife, who has never owned a smartphone, so I could send her links. Getting lazy about updating it meant "Wanting to post to mothra.click easier" had a non-zero impact on the existence of Octothorpes.

joshu 2y ago
Yep. Delicious came from muxway, which itself was built to help with running Memepool…
- pikematchbox 2y ago
  Oh interesting. Were you thinking of the "subjects" on Memepool as tags already?
  - joshu 2y ago
    Not really. Memepool way predated that (1998?)
    - pikematchbox 2y ago
      Was there a clear point where TAGS emerged as a distinct concept to you or was it a more gradual movement from the "subject" days? I read Maciej's account of ingesting A03s giant tag ecosystem in which he quotes you calling tags "a reverse search engine." That stuck with me as an insight that doesn't come up as much in a world where we take tags for granted. Curious how you got from Memepool to there.

asjir 2y ago

Oh, on the reversible webpage it's written that categories are by users so it's like wiki - At first I thought that it's done by any user and not pages authors. But now I'm interpreting it as just authors, just like in Octothorpes.