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Oh great. Another PHP article, where we get to watch all of the defenders of Rasmussen's misbegotten spawn come out from under their rocks... "PHP works grea

Oh great. Another PHP article, where we get to watch all of the defenders of Rasmussen's misbegotten spawn come out from under their rocks... "PHP works great for me! It runs tons of websites! I don't know what you're complaining about..." To address the article's point somewhat - there are already easy to deploy frameworks and languages for the web, and everybody who cares about development is already using them.

dagw 14y ago
everybody who cares about development is already using them. Even if we take that statement as given, what about everybody who doesn't care about development? Most modern frameworks take it as given that you are (or at least aspire to be) a fairly serious web developer interested in serious web development and are willing to learn a bunch of fairly abstract concepts up front about structuring and deploying apps. Until a framework comes along that assumes non of those things, php won't be replaced. Imagine your user is a domain expert in an area totally unconnected to computers or programming, but has managed to learn a bit of HTML and now needs to put together a site. What current framework targets this particular use case?
- anthonyb 14y ago
  HTML. Or some sort of managed CMS. Something that doesn't involve any programming. Because getting all of the bits of web development together is hard work, and you're not likely to end up with anything decent at the end if you don't know what you're doing.
RobAley 14y ago
I use PHP and I care about development. Your statement appears to be hyperbolic.
Isofarro 14y ago
Who's Rasmussen? > there are already easy to deploy frameworks and languages for the web, and everybody who cares about development is already using them. And yet, amongst your rhetoric, you've conveniently managed to name none of them. Is this an appeal to the silent majority? I'm convinced that there are really good developers out there who just keep building great products in PHP. Good developers write good code largely irrespective of the language. The code is a mere artificial interface between the developer and the machine.
- anthonyb 14y ago
  > Who's Rasmussen? Brainfart. I meant Rasmus. A programming language is a tool to get the machine to do what you want. A good tool will help you get the job done faster, and with fewer problems (like, say, security holes). It's not a "mere artificial interface", and if you think so, feel free to go write a web server in Brainfuck.

dagw 14y ago

everybody who cares about development is already using them. Even if we take that statement as given, what about everybody who doesn't care about development? Most modern frameworks take it as given that you are (or at least aspire to be) a fairly serious web developer interested in serious web development and are willing to learn a bunch of fairly abstract concepts up front about structuring and deploying apps. Until a framework comes along that assumes non of those things, php won't be replaced. Imagine your user is a domain expert in an area totally unconnected to computers or programming, but has managed to learn a bit of HTML and now needs to put together a site. What current framework targets this particular use case?

anthonyb 14y ago
HTML. Or some sort of managed CMS. Something that doesn't involve any programming. Because getting all of the bits of web development together is hard work, and you're not likely to end up with anything decent at the end if you don't know what you're doing.

RobAley 14y ago

I use PHP and I care about development. Your statement appears to be hyperbolic.

Isofarro 14y ago

Who's Rasmussen? > there are already easy to deploy frameworks and languages for the web, and everybody who cares about development is already using them. And yet, amongst your rhetoric, you've conveniently managed to name none of them. Is this an appeal to the silent majority? I'm convinced that there are really good developers out there who just keep building great products in PHP. Good developers write good code largely irrespective of the language. The code is a mere artificial interface between the developer and the machine.

anthonyb 14y ago
> Who's Rasmussen? Brainfart. I meant Rasmus. A programming language is a tool to get the machine to do what you want. A good tool will help you get the job done faster, and with fewer problems (like, say, security holes). It's not a "mere artificial interface", and if you think so, feel free to go write a web server in Brainfuck.