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I don't think it was just 2020, when you started to see people being hired out of bootcamps with 0 experience whatsoever to entry level jobs it was visible ther

I don't think it was just 2020, when you started to see people being hired out of bootcamps with 0 experience whatsoever to entry level jobs it was visible there was something weird with the market. That has mostly reverted and I haven't seen a bootcamp ad in a while.

Capricorn2481 2y ago
I interview a lot of candidates and there is a much higher ratio of qualified candidates from bootcamps than from college, assuming they're not going to the trash ones like Trilogy Education Services (which, believe me, is worse than nothing). That's all anecdotal, but please read the rest as me explaining why that's happened to us. The candidates from college, so often, come into the interview completely unprepared for the job. We have hired some bootcamp grads and college grads, but the only candidates we've ever fired for inadequate work were college grads (and this is, of course, a high bar at our company. We do our best to train and foster growth and hate firing anyone, but sometimes people are just not ready for the job). I have some experience with this first-hand. I did half my degree in college before trying a bootcamp. What they taught me was night and day more practical than what I was learning in college. I think college CS programs are paced poorly and lead to students forgetting most of what they learned by the time they graduate. Bootcamp students have been preparing for the job 40-60 hours a week for months, and are ready to start as soon as they join. I don't get all the hate for them. I think it speaks to some kneejerk gatekeeping that isn't based in anything concrete. But of course, there are lots of other reasons to go to college than raw practical experience.
- mlinhares 2y ago
  Haven't had the same experience here in the US or back when I was in Brazil, might have been biased as all college grads I interacted with had been interns (specially in Brazil, as you'd usually intern at least half a year) so they all had some experience in coding and were able to get the job done with proper guidance. For bootcamp graduates it was very hit and miss and they usually lacked most of the basic computer science knowledge in data structures, algorithms and higher level concepts like design patterns and object oriented design. So the ramp up ended up being much longer. I think you can do something in six months but it's not the same as college, had a great experience when I was there and wouldn't trade it for "faster" job placement at all.

Capricorn2481 2y ago

I interview a lot of candidates and there is a much higher ratio of qualified candidates from bootcamps than from college, assuming they're not going to the trash ones like Trilogy Education Services (which, believe me, is worse than nothing). That's all anecdotal, but please read the rest as me explaining why that's happened to us. The candidates from college, so often, come into the interview completely unprepared for the job. We have hired some bootcamp grads and college grads, but the only candidates we've ever fired for inadequate work were college grads (and this is, of course, a high bar at our company. We do our best to train and foster growth and hate firing anyone, but sometimes people are just not ready for the job). I have some experience with this first-hand. I did half my degree in college before trying a bootcamp. What they taught me was night and day more practical than what I was learning in college. I think college CS programs are paced poorly and lead to students forgetting most of what they learned by the time they graduate. Bootcamp students have been preparing for the job 40-60 hours a week for months, and are ready to start as soon as they join. I don't get all the hate for them. I think it speaks to some kneejerk gatekeeping that isn't based in anything concrete. But of course, there are lots of other reasons to go to college than raw practical experience.

mlinhares 2y ago
Haven't had the same experience here in the US or back when I was in Brazil, might have been biased as all college grads I interacted with had been interns (specially in Brazil, as you'd usually intern at least half a year) so they all had some experience in coding and were able to get the job done with proper guidance. For bootcamp graduates it was very hit and miss and they usually lacked most of the basic computer science knowledge in data structures, algorithms and higher level concepts like design patterns and object oriented design. So the ramp up ended up being much longer. I think you can do something in six months but it's not the same as college, had a great experience when I was there and wouldn't trade it for "faster" job placement at all.