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This is one of the reasons I am not an organ donor. Think of all the specific things that a body has for a kidney. Should it be taken out, experience completely

This is one of the reasons I am not an organ donor. Think of all the specific things that a body has for a kidney. Should it be taken out, experience completely different conditions, and then be placed into an entirely different body that wasn’t grown around it organically? This could have horrific consequences for the recipient and I cannot, in good conscience, participate. It is unethical.

MailleQuiMaille 2y ago
>This could have horrific consequences for the recipient Like, he could live ? The point you are trying to make is unclear.
Tagbert 2y ago
Yes, the consequences of not getting a kidney transplant for someone with kidney failure is a painful death. The transplant is a much better alternative even if it isn’t ideal. Preferring to offer death rather than your straw-man argument is probably more unethical.
sojournerc 2y ago
My father received a heart transplant that gave him many years of extended life. please reconsider being a donor. Something, even if it's not perfect, is better than nothing.
triceratops 2y ago
Let me ease your conscience. If you become an organ donor it's not your decision whether any of your organs are actually transplanted. And you'd be dead. So you wouldn't be participating. (Make absurd statements, get absurd replies)
- renewiltord 2y ago
  Haha, a defence of suicide bombing is not what I expected.
  - wholinator2 2y ago
    Explain?
    - saintfire 2y ago
      If you suicide bomb you ensure that your organs cannot be harvested against your consent..
    - renewiltord 2y ago
      Once you’re dead it’s not your decision. So if you suicide bomb, you’re dead and none of the other deaths can be blamed on you. You’ll die first because stuff is strapped to you.
      - triceratops 2y ago
        You decided to blow yourself up around other people. They didn't choose to be near you. So it's like organ donation in exactly no way. No one is forced to accept organs you opt to donate. It's a choice made freely. If you don't want to donate organs, just say so it's fine. Don't make up some BS ethical dilemma.
        renewiltord 2y ago
        Ethics is very important. People will just cut up other people and make another Frankenstein's monster of a creature. The scientists never stopped to ask if they should. In moments where ethics discussions are most warranted there are always folks like you trying to shut them down.
itishappy 2y ago
> This could have horrific consequences for the recipient Have you thought through the consequences of NOT receiving an organ? They're pretty horrific as well. To be clear, what you're outlining is: "For my conscience, I'd prefer people die outright than live to potentially reject an organ." I think you analysis of the ethics here could use a more thorough review.
- renewiltord 2y ago
  I don’t think it’s that different from opposing ectogenesis. You could ask the first such child if they’d rather not be born instead.
  - itishappy 2y ago
    Organ waiting lists require the informed consent of the recipient. As in, the people on the list have expressed a preference towards not dying. A premature child cannot express such a preference.
    - renewiltord 2y ago
      So you say. But no one has proven to me that they want to live. Government databases notoriously have errors. Besides I can match my knowledge of the child’s preference with the adult’s preference by just not paying attention.
      - Apocryphon 2y ago
        Sure, but the guy who would conceive and execute on this idea was never going to be a guy who would stop there. Folks like this don’t aim at some point and then achieve it and stay there. They aim higher, land where they do, and continue to target the higher point. It’s how it is. You can tell because how many of the rest of the people who would have stopped and not have lab-grown the child? Precisely zero.
      - itishappy 2y ago
        > But no one has proven to me that they want to live. I think I see where you're coming from, but this is a mighty perverse thing to say about people currently dying of organ failure who have expressed a desire to not die of organ failure. This isn't hypothetical, you can reach out to them and ask them how they feel directly. Not paying attention to that is a lack of diligence on your part, not a lack of expression on theirs. Contrast that with an unborn child who literally cannot express a preference. Proving a desire to be born is a very different problem.

MailleQuiMaille 2y ago

>This could have horrific consequences for the recipient Like, he could live ? The point you are trying to make is unclear.

Tagbert 2y ago

Yes, the consequences of not getting a kidney transplant for someone with kidney failure is a painful death. The transplant is a much better alternative even if it isn’t ideal. Preferring to offer death rather than your straw-man argument is probably more unethical.

sojournerc 2y ago

My father received a heart transplant that gave him many years of extended life. please reconsider being a donor. Something, even if it's not perfect, is better than nothing.

triceratops 2y ago

Let me ease your conscience. If you become an organ donor it's not your decision whether any of your organs are actually transplanted. And you'd be dead. So you wouldn't be participating. (Make absurd statements, get absurd replies)

renewiltord 2y ago
Haha, a defence of suicide bombing is not what I expected.
- wholinator2 2y ago
  Explain?
  - saintfire 2y ago
    If you suicide bomb you ensure that your organs cannot be harvested against your consent..
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    Once you’re dead it’s not your decision. So if you suicide bomb, you’re dead and none of the other deaths can be blamed on you. You’ll die first because stuff is strapped to you.
    - triceratops 2y ago
      You decided to blow yourself up around other people. They didn't choose to be near you. So it's like organ donation in exactly no way. No one is forced to accept organs you opt to donate. It's a choice made freely. If you don't want to donate organs, just say so it's fine. Don't make up some BS ethical dilemma.
      - renewiltord 2y ago
        Ethics is very important. People will just cut up other people and make another Frankenstein's monster of a creature. The scientists never stopped to ask if they should. In moments where ethics discussions are most warranted there are always folks like you trying to shut them down.

itishappy 2y ago

> This could have horrific consequences for the recipient Have you thought through the consequences of NOT receiving an organ? They're pretty horrific as well. To be clear, what you're outlining is: "For my conscience, I'd prefer people die outright than live to potentially reject an organ." I think you analysis of the ethics here could use a more thorough review.

renewiltord 2y ago
I don’t think it’s that different from opposing ectogenesis. You could ask the first such child if they’d rather not be born instead.
- itishappy 2y ago
  Organ waiting lists require the informed consent of the recipient. As in, the people on the list have expressed a preference towards not dying. A premature child cannot express such a preference.
  - renewiltord 2y ago
    So you say. But no one has proven to me that they want to live. Government databases notoriously have errors. Besides I can match my knowledge of the child’s preference with the adult’s preference by just not paying attention.
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Sure, but the guy who would conceive and execute on this idea was never going to be a guy who would stop there. Folks like this don’t aim at some point and then achieve it and stay there. They aim higher, land where they do, and continue to target the higher point. It’s how it is. You can tell because how many of the rest of the people who would have stopped and not have lab-grown the child? Precisely zero.
    - itishappy 2y ago
      > But no one has proven to me that they want to live. I think I see where you're coming from, but this is a mighty perverse thing to say about people currently dying of organ failure who have expressed a desire to not die of organ failure. This isn't hypothetical, you can reach out to them and ask them how they feel directly. Not paying attention to that is a lack of diligence on your part, not a lack of expression on theirs. Contrast that with an unborn child who literally cannot express a preference. Proving a desire to be born is a very different problem.