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That's good though? I'd love for my premium to not subsidize the payouts to parties involved in crashes caused by aggressive drivers. LOL the downvote. This si

• FireBeyond 2y ago
  I wonder if your premium is higher if you've bought Ludicrous Mode, because there's a higher possibility of you being one of those ... aggressive drivers.
  • nick_ 2y ago
    I certainly hope so. Although using geofencing around private roads/tracks to determine where the aggressive maneuvers are being used would be most fair. Like if someone's driving metrics are totally smooth and predictable on public roads, but then they go nuts on a race track, a lower premium makes sense. Now that I type that out, how does car insurance work while driving on a private race track?
  • jerlam 2y ago
    Maybe just owning a Cybertruck is evidence enough that you're an aggressive driver. It's heavily marketed as being so strong that in case of any collision, it "will win". Someone who dropped six figures on the Cybertruck is going to want to drive it to the limit suggested by all the advertising.
• joshribakoff 2y ago
  You’re probably being downvoted because the metrics they use do not measure whether you are a safe driver. The metrics simply correlate with accident rates. For example, your premiums increase if you drive late at night, which does not mean that you are a bad driver. Their metrics also do not punish you for accelerating aggressively or driving at high rates of speed (only if you turn too fast or hit the brakes too hard, but if I slam on the brakes in the name of safety, or perform an evasive maneuver, does that mean I am an unsafe driver?) Also, it’s worth pointing out other insurance companies have a solution for this that has worked for decades. If someone proves they are an unsafe driver by receiving a infraction or filing a claim, then you adjust the rates. No need to spy on the person with invasive amounts of data, or use arbitrary metrics that use correlation instead of causation. But Tesla has to reinvent things that were not broken in the first place, like door handles (just replaced the door handle on a brand new model S because dust got in there LOL).
  • Kirby64 2y ago
    Teslas offering isn’t particularly different from any of the other traditional insurance companies that offer the OBD2 dongle or companion app to monitor your driving. The only difference is there’s no opt out for a higher rate. Also, Tesla isn’t unique here. Root insurance did this well before Tesla did.
  • sokoloff 2y ago
    > if I slam on the brakes in the name of safety, or perform an evasive maneuver, does that mean I am an unsafe driver? If you have to frequently do that, it's probably because you put yourself in situations where an earlier safer choice of action would have avoided the need. Frequent abrupt/high-G maneuvers to turn accidents into near-misses probably does correlate strongly with future losses (you’re eventually going to “fail to miss”). "A superior pilot uses his superior judgment to avoid situations which require the use of his superior skill.” — Frank Borman.
    • im3w1l 2y ago
      It's a nice sounding quip, but I don't agree at all. The pilot putting themselves in risky situations will acquire a superior skill. Which will partially, but not nearly fully, compensate for the risky situations they put themselves in. A bear whisperer is more likely than an average person to be eaten by a bear. An experienced cave diver is more likely than an average person to drown.
      • sokoloff 2y ago
        The airline pilot putting themselves in risky situations for training value is doing that in a simulator, not while flying the line.
        • im3w1l 2y ago
          I responded to your quote, which didn't restrict itself to airline pilots. There are also people flying their own planes for fun. And military pilots. Both of which may pull risky stunts in real planes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_aerobatics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competition_aerobatics