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I am skeptical too, but the company is Finnish. Anybody know more about them? Edit: looks like a non-free OS indeed. The developer tools just seem to include a

by yazzku 2y ago

I am skeptical too, but the company is Finnish. Anybody know more about them? Edit: looks like a non-free OS indeed. The developer tools just seem to include an SDK. It's a pass for me.

dijit 2y ago
fwiw I was working at Nokia R&D when Elop trojan horsed us, Jolla (and sailfishOS) was the result of people making MeeGO jumping ship. I don’t know if it’s the same now, because 12 years or more of fighting the duopoly with no cash to speak of in comparison must have meant selling your soul somewhat, but I doubt it’s the intent to do anything shady. Android (in popular use) tends to have a lot of closed source bits, though I agree that it should be entirely open source. I would guess that not having it straight FOSS is more a function of financials and headcount to be good stewards than it is of ill-intent.
distances 2y ago
For those curious, it's a continuation from where Nokia left with their Linux efforts, that's the roots in a nutshell. They did ship a smartphone with their own hardware in 2013. I still have it in my drawer. Definitely ambitious, and an achievement, for a small company tackle OS, hardware, dev experience, everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29
- written-beyond 2y ago
  I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shipped.
  - distances 2y ago
    I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform. I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.
    - written-beyond 2y ago
      I had a Blackberry Z10 after the N9. Even though they were very different in their goals, it felt very much like a spiritual successor. BB OS10 dying as soon as it did really hits me to this date.
clhodapp 2y ago
What's the significance of the company being Finnish?
- lproven 2y ago
  * From the home of the prior market leaders in mobile phones; * Presumably contains many former engineers from that company; * From a free democratic EU state, not somewhere untraceable and not governed by Western laws; * As a European product enjoys more legal privacy protection and security than either American or many Asian vendors. Those are the ones that spring to mind.
  - yazzku 2y ago
    * Not a yolo VC-backed project from Silicon Valley that becomes abandonware two years later.
    - lproven 2y ago
      :-) That too!

by yazzku 2y ago

I am skeptical too, but the company is Finnish. Anybody know more about them? Edit: looks like a non-free OS indeed. The developer tools just seem to include an SDK. It's a pass for me.

dijit 2y ago

fwiw I was working at Nokia R&D when Elop trojan horsed us, Jolla (and sailfishOS) was the result of people making MeeGO jumping ship. I don’t know if it’s the same now, because 12 years or more of fighting the duopoly with no cash to speak of in comparison must have meant selling your soul somewhat, but I doubt it’s the intent to do anything shady. Android (in popular use) tends to have a lot of closed source bits, though I agree that it should be entirely open source. I would guess that not having it straight FOSS is more a function of financials and headcount to be good stewards than it is of ill-intent.

distances 2y ago

For those curious, it's a continuation from where Nokia left with their Linux efforts, that's the roots in a nutshell. They did ship a smartphone with their own hardware in 2013. I still have it in my drawer. Definitely ambitious, and an achievement, for a small company tackle OS, hardware, dev experience, everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29

written-beyond 2y ago
I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shipped.
- distances 2y ago
  I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform. I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.
  - written-beyond 2y ago
    I had a Blackberry Z10 after the N9. Even though they were very different in their goals, it felt very much like a spiritual successor. BB OS10 dying as soon as it did really hits me to this date.

clhodapp 2y ago

What's the significance of the company being Finnish?

lproven 2y ago
* From the home of the prior market leaders in mobile phones; * Presumably contains many former engineers from that company; * From a free democratic EU state, not somewhere untraceable and not governed by Western laws; * As a European product enjoys more legal privacy protection and security than either American or many Asian vendors. Those are the ones that spring to mind.
- yazzku 2y ago
  * Not a yolo VC-backed project from Silicon Valley that becomes abandonware two years later.
  - lproven 2y ago
    :-) That too!