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wutwutwat 2y ago
Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. When I access a site I’m downloading some markup. I’m free to render that markup in any way I desire. It’s my machine. My software. My experience. Nothing else should be able to dictate that to me. Ads are harmful. They are used to spy on and build profiles of people across the internet, gaining knowledge along the way that is intrusive, without consent from who it’s spying on. Sites are free to make money off their content. There are ways besides ads. Paywalls, subscriptions, donations, etc. Point is, they can make money in ways that doesn’t require telling their users how to do things on their own computers and doesn’t involve forcing malware and spyware onto their users. Nothing is being stolen. The html document was delivered on the public web internet with no restrictions. It was even delivered with the code to run ads. It was given to the world. How the world renders that document cannot somehow change that into a theft.
- tredre3 2y ago
  > Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. ublock has always worked for YouTube ads, until the very recent crusade against adblocking.
- toastercat 2y ago
  > Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. Either you are misinformed, or you are flatout lying. I literally just tried it on Firefox with uBlock and after 10 videos, received 0 ads. See here for more context: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1etvawp/youtube_ads_detection_breakages_2024_08_16_ubo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1etvawp/youtu... A simple Google Search of "does ublock origin block YouTube ads" disproves you.
  - wutwutwat 2y ago
    Maybe something on my end is broken but I’ve ran ublock origin for years and never once has it stopped any preroll or mid roll ad on Yt. Weird.
meiraleal 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  Please don't take HN thread further into flamewar hell. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Aaron2222 2y ago
I refuse to pay for YouTube Premium primarily due to their forced bundling of YouTube Music.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  That kind of just makes sense though. YouTube has music on it, giving you access to the UI that plays it a bit nicer than the regular YouTube frontend doesn’t cost them extra.
  - Aaron2222 2y ago
    I would expect the licensing situation to be very different for music than for normal YouTube uploads. YouTube sometimes[0][1] offers "YouTube Premium Lite" in some countries, which doesn't include YouTube Music. This heavily suggests the music licensing adds cost. Unfortunately, it's not available where I live (New Zealand), looks to still have banner ads (easily deal with by an ad blocker, but still kind of insulting to have banner ads on a paid product), and doesn't even include background play on non-music videos (not that it actually matters in my case, since I only watch on my Mac). [0]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23889917/youtube-premium-lite-subscription-discontinued-retired https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23889917/youtube-premium-... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1d0d1sg/premium_lite_coming_back/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1d0d1sg/premium_li...
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >I refuse to pay for YouTube Premium primarily due to their forced bundling of YouTube Music. I'm the opposite, I get youtube premium as a side effect of paying for youtube music.
matheusmoreira 2y ago
Oh please. There is no "stealing" or "theft" of any kind going on here. What's happening is your server sent us a free web page and we deleted parts of it. We can rip out and trash the ads from magazines and newspapers too. If you don't like that, then don't send people free web pages when they make HTTP requests. Make your web server return 402 Payment Required instead. If you send us free stuff with garbage included, don't blame us for deleting the garbage. Every browser should have uBlock Origin. It should be literally built into the browser in fact, only conflicts of interest prevent that.
- high_na_euv 2y ago
  Not really, stop lying to yourself. Somebody has to pay the compute bill and ads are mechanism to get some €€ back. I do use ad blockers cuz a lot of sites are too ads heavy, but at least im not making up some ideology that im not ripping somebody off. Be genuine and honest with yourself
  - hulitu 2y ago
    >Somebody has to pay the compute bill and ads are mechanism to get some €€ back. From the parent comment: "If you don't like that, then don't send people free web pages when they make HTTP requests. Make your web server return 402 Payment Required instead"
    - high_na_euv 2y ago
      Because what? It isnt the only solution and has *significant cons*. If you prefer radical / extreme approaches, then do it with your content
traitfield 2y ago
My computer will do whatever I wish with the content that is sent to it, including removing ads, it is not stealing.
dang 2y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. When I access a site I’m downloading some markup. I’m free to render that markup in any way I desire. It’s my machine. My software. My experience. Nothing else should be able to dictate that to me. Ads are harmful. They are used to spy on and build profiles of people across the internet, gaining knowledge along the way that is intrusive, without consent from who it’s spying on. Sites are free to make money off their content. There are ways besides ads. Paywalls, subscriptions, donations, etc. Point is, they can make money in ways that doesn’t require telling their users how to do things on their own computers and doesn’t involve forcing malware and spyware onto their users. Nothing is being stolen. The html document was delivered on the public web internet with no restrictions. It was even delivered with the code to run ads. It was given to the world. How the world renders that document cannot somehow change that into a theft.

tredre3 2y ago
> Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. ublock has always worked for YouTube ads, until the very recent crusade against adblocking.
toastercat 2y ago
> Ublock doesn’t work for YouTube ads and never has. Either you are misinformed, or you are flatout lying. I literally just tried it on Firefox with uBlock and after 10 videos, received 0 ads. See here for more context: https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1etvawp/youtube_ads_detection_breakages_2024_08_16_ubo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1etvawp/youtu... A simple Google Search of "does ublock origin block YouTube ads" disproves you.
- wutwutwat 2y ago
  Maybe something on my end is broken but I’ve ran ublock origin for years and never once has it stopped any preroll or mid roll ad on Yt. Weird.

meiraleal 2y ago

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dang 2y ago
Please don't take HN thread further into flamewar hell. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Aaron2222 2y ago

I refuse to pay for YouTube Premium primarily due to their forced bundling of YouTube Music.

Gigachad 2y ago
That kind of just makes sense though. YouTube has music on it, giving you access to the UI that plays it a bit nicer than the regular YouTube frontend doesn’t cost them extra.
- Aaron2222 2y ago
  I would expect the licensing situation to be very different for music than for normal YouTube uploads. YouTube sometimes[0][1] offers "YouTube Premium Lite" in some countries, which doesn't include YouTube Music. This heavily suggests the music licensing adds cost. Unfortunately, it's not available where I live (New Zealand), looks to still have banner ads (easily deal with by an ad blocker, but still kind of insulting to have banner ads on a paid product), and doesn't even include background play on non-music videos (not that it actually matters in my case, since I only watch on my Mac). [0]: https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23889917/youtube-premium-lite-subscription-discontinued-retired https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/25/23889917/youtube-premium-... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1d0d1sg/premium_lite_coming_back/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/1d0d1sg/premium_li...
Suppafly 2y ago
>I refuse to pay for YouTube Premium primarily due to their forced bundling of YouTube Music. I'm the opposite, I get youtube premium as a side effect of paying for youtube music.

matheusmoreira 2y ago

Oh please. There is no "stealing" or "theft" of any kind going on here. What's happening is your server sent us a free web page and we deleted parts of it. We can rip out and trash the ads from magazines and newspapers too. If you don't like that, then don't send people free web pages when they make HTTP requests. Make your web server return 402 Payment Required instead. If you send us free stuff with garbage included, don't blame us for deleting the garbage. Every browser should have uBlock Origin. It should be literally built into the browser in fact, only conflicts of interest prevent that.

high_na_euv 2y ago
Not really, stop lying to yourself. Somebody has to pay the compute bill and ads are mechanism to get some €€ back. I do use ad blockers cuz a lot of sites are too ads heavy, but at least im not making up some ideology that im not ripping somebody off. Be genuine and honest with yourself
- hulitu 2y ago
  >Somebody has to pay the compute bill and ads are mechanism to get some €€ back. From the parent comment: "If you don't like that, then don't send people free web pages when they make HTTP requests. Make your web server return 402 Payment Required instead"
  - high_na_euv 2y ago
    Because what? It isnt the only solution and has *significant cons*. If you prefer radical / extreme approaches, then do it with your content

traitfield 2y ago

My computer will do whatever I wish with the content that is sent to it, including removing ads, it is not stealing.

dang 2y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html