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Well, I must admit, LLMs made me lose the joy of learning programming and made me realize I like to solve problems. There was a time I really liked to go throu

Well, I must admit, LLMs made me lose the joy of learning programming and made me realize I like to solve problems. There was a time I really liked to go through books, documentation, learn and run the codes etc. but these days are gone for me. I prefer to enjoy free time and go to the gym now

SoftTalker 2y ago
I'm the same, and I think it's a product of getting older and being more and more acutely aware of the passage of time and not wanting to spend time on bullshit things. Nothing to do with LLMs. I still like solving problems in code but I no longer get any joy from learning yet another new language or framework to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years, but with a different accent.
mewpmewp2 2y ago
It is kind of opposite to me. I do a lot more side projects now, because I enjoy building, and I enjoy using LLMs as this multiplying tool so I build more with the same amount of time. I think integrating LLM with your workflow is also problem solving and an exciting novel way to problem solve at this. It gets my imagination really running and it is awesome to be able to exchange back and forth to overall see things from more perspectives since LLM can give me more different and varied point of views than I alone could have come up with.
- aerhardt 2y ago
  I am in your camp. LLMs have made everything better for me, both learning and producing.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  Same here; I am building so much more and faster than ever in my life and it is great. When I was a kid in the early 80s learning about AI, like everyone who mentored me, I thought it would be replacing programmers by 2000; that might still happen but for now the productivity is a blast.
- VBprogrammer 2y ago
  LLMs really help me with the blank page problem. Just getting something, even partially working, to built upon can be a huge win.
- volker48 2y ago
  Same for me. Many times I would have an idea, but I would think ahead of all the mundane and tedious things I would need to complete to implement it and not even get started. Now I work with the LLM to do those more tedious and mechanical parts and frankly the LLM is generating pretty similar code to what I would have written anyway and if not I just rewrite it. A few times I've even been pleasantly surprised when the LLM took an approach I wouldn't have considered and I actually liked it better.
atomic128 2y ago
This sentiment, I observe it everywhere. My coworkers and the people I interact with in engineering communities. A process of hollowing out and loss of motivation, a loss of meaning and purpose, as people delegate more and more of their thinking to the LLM. Some may ruminate and pontificate and lament the loss of engineering dignity, maybe even the loss of human dignity. But some will realize this is an inevitable result of human nature. They accept that the minds of their fellow men will atrophy through disuse, that people will rapidly become dependent and cognitively impaired. A fruitful stance is to make an effort to profit from this downfall, instead of complaining impotently. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733311 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733311 There's also an aspect of tragic comedy. You can tell that people are dazzled by the output of the LLM, accepting its correctness because it talks so smart. They have lost the ability to evaluate its correctness, or will never develop said ability. Here is an example from yesterday. This is totally nonsensical and incorrect yet the commenter pasted it into the thread to demonstrate the LLM's understanding: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41747089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41747089 Grab your popcorn and enjoy the show. "Nothing stops this train."
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  It's called getting older. You guys are so dramatic about the llm stuff lol
  - lgka 2y ago
    No, it is called having one's open source output stolen by billionaires who then pay enough apologists, directly or indirectly, to justify the heist.
    - bongodongobob 2y ago
      No one stole anything from you. Other than maybe your self esteem.
      - LtWorf 2y ago

SoftTalker 2y ago

I'm the same, and I think it's a product of getting older and being more and more acutely aware of the passage of time and not wanting to spend time on bullshit things. Nothing to do with LLMs. I still like solving problems in code but I no longer get any joy from learning yet another new language or framework to do the same things we've been doing for the past 30 years, but with a different accent.

mewpmewp2 2y ago

It is kind of opposite to me. I do a lot more side projects now, because I enjoy building, and I enjoy using LLMs as this multiplying tool so I build more with the same amount of time. I think integrating LLM with your workflow is also problem solving and an exciting novel way to problem solve at this. It gets my imagination really running and it is awesome to be able to exchange back and forth to overall see things from more perspectives since LLM can give me more different and varied point of views than I alone could have come up with.

aerhardt 2y ago
I am in your camp. LLMs have made everything better for me, both learning and producing.
anonzzzies 2y ago
Same here; I am building so much more and faster than ever in my life and it is great. When I was a kid in the early 80s learning about AI, like everyone who mentored me, I thought it would be replacing programmers by 2000; that might still happen but for now the productivity is a blast.
VBprogrammer 2y ago
LLMs really help me with the blank page problem. Just getting something, even partially working, to built upon can be a huge win.
volker48 2y ago
Same for me. Many times I would have an idea, but I would think ahead of all the mundane and tedious things I would need to complete to implement it and not even get started. Now I work with the LLM to do those more tedious and mechanical parts and frankly the LLM is generating pretty similar code to what I would have written anyway and if not I just rewrite it. A few times I've even been pleasantly surprised when the LLM took an approach I wouldn't have considered and I actually liked it better.

atomic128 2y ago

This sentiment, I observe it everywhere. My coworkers and the people I interact with in engineering communities. A process of hollowing out and loss of motivation, a loss of meaning and purpose, as people delegate more and more of their thinking to the LLM. Some may ruminate and pontificate and lament the loss of engineering dignity, maybe even the loss of human dignity. But some will realize this is an inevitable result of human nature. They accept that the minds of their fellow men will atrophy through disuse, that people will rapidly become dependent and cognitively impaired. A fruitful stance is to make an effort to profit from this downfall, instead of complaining impotently. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733311 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41733311 There's also an aspect of tragic comedy. You can tell that people are dazzled by the output of the LLM, accepting its correctness because it talks so smart. They have lost the ability to evaluate its correctness, or will never develop said ability. Here is an example from yesterday. This is totally nonsensical and incorrect yet the commenter pasted it into the thread to demonstrate the LLM's understanding: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41747089 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41747089 Grab your popcorn and enjoy the show. "Nothing stops this train."

bongodongobob 2y ago
It's called getting older. You guys are so dramatic about the llm stuff lol
- lgka 2y ago
  No, it is called having one's open source output stolen by billionaires who then pay enough apologists, directly or indirectly, to justify the heist.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    No one stole anything from you. Other than maybe your self esteem.
    - LtWorf 2y ago