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> <passive aggressive> > life was so hard before but we got AI to do the work for us now. Aggression against what? Yourself? I think you show a tragic misunde

> <passive aggressive> > life was so hard before but we got AI to do the work for us now. Aggression against what? Yourself? I think you show a tragic misunderstanding of technology and what it is doing in the world. It's not the work that it's doing for you. It's the living. Is it really your life you want a machine to take? Nobody wants to "work". Henry David Thoreau said ,"There is no more fatal blunderer than he who consumes the greater part of his life getting his living." All good, no? But that's not what "AI", in the hands of exploiters (or even yourself, as a self-exploiter) is going to do to you. Technology is more "productive" but creates more, not less labour. Better to heed Max Frisch who said, "Technology is the knack of so arranging the world that we don't have to experience it." Would you employ a machine to enjoy a music concert for you? To have sex for you or play games for you so you're not troubled by the effort?

Dalewyn 2y ago
>To have sex for you or play games for you so you're not troubled by the effort? Two of the three games I play on a daily basis largely play themselves, so... yes, actually. I still have plenty of fun watching them.
- nonrandomstring 2y ago
  That is very interesting. Are you talking like city simulation games? I get the entertainment of quite passively tweaking and watching things unfold. But at what point would you say "hey I'm not really a participating player any more, this is just watching TV"? Is it still a game at that point?
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Strategy games, actually; namely Princess Connect! Re:Dive and Fire Emblem Heroes. My hand is mostly in gearing up characters and composing parties who then take on maps and stages on their own as I watch, including bosses. It's actually surprisingly fun, like you I was in the "why would I let a game play for me?" camp before. As they say, don't knock it until you try it. Meanwhile, the third game I mentioned which is Fate/Grand Order explicitly does not have any autoplay functionality, and it too is very fun.
    - nonrandomstring 2y ago
      There was a fractal generator back in the mid 90's where you had to choose initial parameters, just 4 or 5 integer numbers IIRC, and from there it created hours of ever changing "art". I can definitely relate to the feeling of "I created that!" and some sense of investment in the patters created by my special numbers. Not so much a game, but I get you. Is "AI" a curiosity machine then? Our error is to think it can do "work". What we're describing about games is fun, but for some kids in poor countries "work" is now generating bizarre images to post for ad engagement - and of course the most popular images are the most messed-up ones they can get past the censor. Like pulling the lever on a demonic slot machine.

Dalewyn 2y ago

>To have sex for you or play games for you so you're not troubled by the effort? Two of the three games I play on a daily basis largely play themselves, so... yes, actually. I still have plenty of fun watching them.

nonrandomstring 2y ago
That is very interesting. Are you talking like city simulation games? I get the entertainment of quite passively tweaking and watching things unfold. But at what point would you say "hey I'm not really a participating player any more, this is just watching TV"? Is it still a game at that point?
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Strategy games, actually; namely Princess Connect! Re:Dive and Fire Emblem Heroes. My hand is mostly in gearing up characters and composing parties who then take on maps and stages on their own as I watch, including bosses. It's actually surprisingly fun, like you I was in the "why would I let a game play for me?" camp before. As they say, don't knock it until you try it. Meanwhile, the third game I mentioned which is Fate/Grand Order explicitly does not have any autoplay functionality, and it too is very fun.
  - nonrandomstring 2y ago
    There was a fractal generator back in the mid 90's where you had to choose initial parameters, just 4 or 5 integer numbers IIRC, and from there it created hours of ever changing "art". I can definitely relate to the feeling of "I created that!" and some sense of investment in the patters created by my special numbers. Not so much a game, but I get you. Is "AI" a curiosity machine then? Our error is to think it can do "work". What we're describing about games is fun, but for some kids in poor countries "work" is now generating bizarre images to post for ad engagement - and of course the most popular images are the most messed-up ones they can get past the censor. Like pulling the lever on a demonic slot machine.