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> piles Python environment jank on top of Ubuntu/Darwin jank, and piles Docker jank on top of the previous, and piles Docker Compose jank on the previous, until

> piles Python environment jank on top of Ubuntu/Darwin jank, and piles Docker jank on top of the previous, and piles Docker Compose jank on the previous, until you finally arrive at Jank-As-A-Service Don’t demand your language do the job of the operating system and come with a package manager. Your distro has packages that are guaranteed to play well together, use them.

benreesman 2y ago
I use a number of operating systems/distributions/package managers, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Most can more or less build most stuff in a way that you can run infrastructure on as long as you're not in a nasty cross-platform setting (MacOS development and Linux deployment comes to mind). Off the top of my head I can't think of any language other than Python that manages to be a constant and persistent cavalcade of self-inflicted environment and dependency chemical fires on absolutely every single one of them. Pointing this out usually generates a bunch of "pipenv/poetry/uv/whatever works fine for me", and for those folks I am very happy that they don't deal with heavily native extension-backed requirements. Mazel tov. It's a meme: https://xkcd.com/1987/ https://xkcd.com/1987/
- keybored 2y ago
  > Pointing this out usually generates a bunch of "pipenv/poetry/uv/whatever works fine for me", I had to use bundler (Ruby) and got some non-descript “missing dev dependencies”. After installing “dev dependencies” (?) for my Linux distro it still didn’t work. The first StackOverflow answer (for Windows) had over a dozen answers with “this worked for me on macOS”. No logic to it, just a random of assortment of commands that happened to work. At that point I decided to use devbox. And give up if that didn’t work (but it did).
jt2190 2y ago
> Your distro has packages that are guaranteed to play well together… I’ve never worked in an org that had all machines 100% unified on a single distro from dev to prod.

benreesman 2y ago

I use a number of operating systems/distributions/package managers, and they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Most can more or less build most stuff in a way that you can run infrastructure on as long as you're not in a nasty cross-platform setting (MacOS development and Linux deployment comes to mind). Off the top of my head I can't think of any language other than Python that manages to be a constant and persistent cavalcade of self-inflicted environment and dependency chemical fires on absolutely every single one of them. Pointing this out usually generates a bunch of "pipenv/poetry/uv/whatever works fine for me", and for those folks I am very happy that they don't deal with heavily native extension-backed requirements. Mazel tov. It's a meme: https://xkcd.com/1987/ https://xkcd.com/1987/

keybored 2y ago
> Pointing this out usually generates a bunch of "pipenv/poetry/uv/whatever works fine for me", I had to use bundler (Ruby) and got some non-descript “missing dev dependencies”. After installing “dev dependencies” (?) for my Linux distro it still didn’t work. The first StackOverflow answer (for Windows) had over a dozen answers with “this worked for me on macOS”. No logic to it, just a random of assortment of commands that happened to work. At that point I decided to use devbox. And give up if that didn’t work (but it did).

jt2190 2y ago

> Your distro has packages that are guaranteed to play well together… I’ve never worked in an org that had all machines 100% unified on a single distro from dev to prod.