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By far the best mobile OS, way better than iOS or Android (simpler and more consistent). The biggest obstacle to greater adoption is the lack of availability o

By far the best mobile OS, way better than iOS or Android (simpler and more consistent). The biggest obstacle to greater adoption is the lack of availability outside of the EU; of course, this is easy to work around... It has a 'killer feature': Android App Support (https://jolla.com/appsupport https://jolla.com/appsupport), which enables a SFOS device to run Android apps in a sandbox. I would also love to see a carefully engineered photo app...

BSDobelix 2y ago
Na thanks no closed source "near scam" OS/Company for me.
- fractallyte 2y ago
  Well, I think you ought to write more than that... Enlighten us!
  - saidinesh5 2y ago
    I think he's talking about how they(?) market it as open alternative to Android but most of the UI and apps were proprietary. Some people also don't like it that they had some deal with the Russian Government.
    - fractallyte 2y ago
      If BSDobelix had done some basic research, this would have turned up: "In 2024, to escape Russia's investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla) Quite a gutsy move, in my opinion, and as far away from "near scam" as can be.
      - BSDobelix 2y ago
        I have nothing written about Russia nor Ukraine, but closed source software and the promised "pre-order" jolla tablet. However it's interesting that a Finnish company files bankruptcy and had that much investors from Russia, so thanks for a additional point....and that name JollyBoy...
        dengolius 2y ago
        See https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2023/11/Former_leadership_buys_Jolla_Business_Pressrelease_271123_.pdf https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2023/11/Former_leadership_... AFAIK russian military uses the devices during the war and moreover, they are designed and approved by the russian government. I saw a few devices from https://auroraos.ru/ https://auroraos.ru/ . https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%9E%D0%A1_%28%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B5_SailfishOS%29?ptype=proj https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D... - here is more history
        dengolius 2y ago
        Seems like it was just renamed https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/?companyName=Jollyboys&isCompanyValid=true&isCompanyTerminated=false https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/?companyName=Jollyboys&isCompany...
        fractallyte 2y ago
        OK, I misunderstood - apologies! You're right about the tablet; I'd forgotten about that...
      - darthrupert 2y ago
        Kinda of a slow move. The war's second phase started in 2022.
- yazzku 2y ago
  I am skeptical too, but the company is Finnish. Anybody know more about them? Edit: looks like a non-free OS indeed. The developer tools just seem to include an SDK. It's a pass for me.
  - dijit 2y ago
    fwiw I was working at Nokia R&D when Elop trojan horsed us, Jolla (and sailfishOS) was the result of people making MeeGO jumping ship. I don’t know if it’s the same now, because 12 years or more of fighting the duopoly with no cash to speak of in comparison must have meant selling your soul somewhat, but I doubt it’s the intent to do anything shady. Android (in popular use) tends to have a lot of closed source bits, though I agree that it should be entirely open source. I would guess that not having it straight FOSS is more a function of financials and headcount to be good stewards than it is of ill-intent.
  - distances 2y ago
    For those curious, it's a continuation from where Nokia left with their Linux efforts, that's the roots in a nutshell. They did ship a smartphone with their own hardware in 2013. I still have it in my drawer. Definitely ambitious, and an achievement, for a small company tackle OS, hardware, dev experience, everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29
    - written-beyond 2y ago
      I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shipped.
      - distances 2y ago
        I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform. I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Is there any reason it would not work in the USA, assuming an unlocked compatible phone?
- doctor_radium 2y ago
  Assuming a compatible phone and a compatible carrier (AFAIK AT&T and Verizon both still operate white lists), no there's nothing stopping you. There are/were US users who bought Sailfish over VPN. But for official hardware at least, "compatible phone" is the sticking point. The last phone with a North American variant was the Sony XA2 from early 2018. Today it's a brick because Jolla never gave it VoLTE support.

BSDobelix 2y ago

Na thanks no closed source "near scam" OS/Company for me.

fractallyte 2y ago
Well, I think you ought to write more than that... Enlighten us!
- saidinesh5 2y ago
  I think he's talking about how they(?) market it as open alternative to Android but most of the UI and apps were proprietary. Some people also don't like it that they had some deal with the Russian Government.
  - fractallyte 2y ago
    If BSDobelix had done some basic research, this would have turned up: "In 2024, to escape Russia's investors due to the Ukrainian war, the Jolla initial company filed for bankruptcy, continuing its activity under the JollyBoys name." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla) Quite a gutsy move, in my opinion, and as far away from "near scam" as can be.
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      I have nothing written about Russia nor Ukraine, but closed source software and the promised "pre-order" jolla tablet. However it's interesting that a Finnish company files bankruptcy and had that much investors from Russia, so thanks for a additional point....and that name JollyBoy...
      - dengolius 2y ago
        See https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2023/11/Former_leadership_buys_Jolla_Business_Pressrelease_271123_.pdf https://jolla.com/content/uploads/2023/11/Former_leadership_... AFAIK russian military uses the devices during the war and moreover, they are designed and approved by the russian government. I saw a few devices from https://auroraos.ru/ https://auroraos.ru/ . https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%BA%D1%82:%D0%90%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%9E%D0%A1_%28%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B5_SailfishOS%29?ptype=proj https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D... - here is more history
      - dengolius 2y ago
        Seems like it was just renamed https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/?companyName=Jollyboys&isCompanyValid=true&isCompanyTerminated=false https://tietopalvelu.ytj.fi/?companyName=Jollyboys&isCompany...
      - fractallyte 2y ago
        OK, I misunderstood - apologies! You're right about the tablet; I'd forgotten about that...
    - darthrupert 2y ago
      Kinda of a slow move. The war's second phase started in 2022.
yazzku 2y ago
I am skeptical too, but the company is Finnish. Anybody know more about them? Edit: looks like a non-free OS indeed. The developer tools just seem to include an SDK. It's a pass for me.
- dijit 2y ago
  fwiw I was working at Nokia R&D when Elop trojan horsed us, Jolla (and sailfishOS) was the result of people making MeeGO jumping ship. I don’t know if it’s the same now, because 12 years or more of fighting the duopoly with no cash to speak of in comparison must have meant selling your soul somewhat, but I doubt it’s the intent to do anything shady. Android (in popular use) tends to have a lot of closed source bits, though I agree that it should be entirely open source. I would guess that not having it straight FOSS is more a function of financials and headcount to be good stewards than it is of ill-intent.
- distances 2y ago
  For those curious, it's a continuation from where Nokia left with their Linux efforts, that's the roots in a nutshell. They did ship a smartphone with their own hardware in 2013. I still have it in my drawer. Definitely ambitious, and an achievement, for a small company tackle OS, hardware, dev experience, everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla_%28smartphone%29
  - written-beyond 2y ago
    I had a Nokia N9, their second attempt at Meego/Maemo, to this date it's the weirdest consumer device I've ever owned. The device shipped with a front camera but it was not accessible through any default app. The closest I got to it working was a mirror app someone made in a Hackathon. Issues aside it was a beautifully designed device, you could see real innovation. Unfortunately Nokia killed it before it even shipped.
    - distances 2y ago
      I had N9 too. Probably my favourite phone of all times, I even published an app for it despite knowing it's a dead end platform. I think I was expecting Jolla to be a close N9 successor, but I couldn't get over their UI/UX style and switched to Android soon after.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Is there any reason it would not work in the USA, assuming an unlocked compatible phone?

doctor_radium 2y ago
Assuming a compatible phone and a compatible carrier (AFAIK AT&T and Verizon both still operate white lists), no there's nothing stopping you. There are/were US users who bought Sailfish over VPN. But for official hardware at least, "compatible phone" is the sticking point. The last phone with a North American variant was the Sony XA2 from early 2018. Today it's a brick because Jolla never gave it VoLTE support.