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Is this news anymore? Here's a title you can reuse freely for the next decade or so. (Startup/public/private equity owned) company <IOT device>'s collect data

Is this news anymore? Here's a title you can reuse freely for the next decade or so. (Startup/public/private equity owned) company <IOT device>'s collect data you don't want them collecting, use it for profit to your detriment, and didn't bother securing any of it because they don't care.

dylan604 2y ago
Each time it happens, it needs to be news to name and shame the companies. Unfortunately, once you've bought the product, it's game over for privacy. So this info needs to be explicitly available for each product/company so that when future buyers are researching, they might be able to stumble upon these articles. Product reviewers need to explicitly state that the cameras/mics/whatevs of devices have been used for nefarious purposes other than what is advertised on the box. But we should not just sweep everything under the rug because a couple of nerds "knows about it" because there's a heck of a lot more people that do not.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Name and shame doesn't work. What does work is prison terms for ceos.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > What does work is prison terms for ceos. Could work. But, unfortunately those CEOs make the law.
  - survirtual 2y ago
    *Prison terms for the board of directors. In the event of incidents that result in mass deaths (oil spills, etc), tried as if mass murderers for the board. CEOs are too often just scapegoats for the evils of a board.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      I mean I've seen it go both ways, but sure, the board should know what the ceo is doing and vice versa.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Name and shame doesn't work in that it doesn't stop the next guy, or even the current guy. It does at least make the information available to those that care. If you don't care, great. Continue to live with your head in the sand. If you do care, at least the information is available for you to make an informed decision. If we do nothing because of the "it doesn't work" in a manner you think fitting, then we'll make no progress. It's yet another example of a choice between doing anything versus doing nothing because the perfect answer isn't available.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Each time it happens, it needs to be news to name and shame the companies. Was this ever a problem for Microsoft, Google or Apple ? /s
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - dylan604 2y ago
    I do not use Microsoft products. I do not use Google products in my personal life. Others do not use Apple products. So for some people, it absolutely does work. I don't shop at WalMart, and am damn near Amazon free too. A new sucker is born every minute. If the only time the name and shame is mentioned is when it happens, then those new borns will potentially never hear about it. Why do they preach to the choir? Because that's how you get them to sing.

dylan604 2y ago

Each time it happens, it needs to be news to name and shame the companies. Unfortunately, once you've bought the product, it's game over for privacy. So this info needs to be explicitly available for each product/company so that when future buyers are researching, they might be able to stumble upon these articles. Product reviewers need to explicitly state that the cameras/mics/whatevs of devices have been used for nefarious purposes other than what is advertised on the box. But we should not just sweep everything under the rug because a couple of nerds "knows about it" because there's a heck of a lot more people that do not.

llm_trw 2y ago
Name and shame doesn't work. What does work is prison terms for ceos.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > What does work is prison terms for ceos. Could work. But, unfortunately those CEOs make the law.
- survirtual 2y ago
  *Prison terms for the board of directors. In the event of incidents that result in mass deaths (oil spills, etc), tried as if mass murderers for the board. CEOs are too often just scapegoats for the evils of a board.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    I mean I've seen it go both ways, but sure, the board should know what the ceo is doing and vice versa.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Name and shame doesn't work in that it doesn't stop the next guy, or even the current guy. It does at least make the information available to those that care. If you don't care, great. Continue to live with your head in the sand. If you do care, at least the information is available for you to make an informed decision. If we do nothing because of the "it doesn't work" in a manner you think fitting, then we'll make no progress. It's yet another example of a choice between doing anything versus doing nothing because the perfect answer isn't available.
hulitu 2y ago
> Each time it happens, it needs to be news to name and shame the companies. Was this ever a problem for Microsoft, Google or Apple ? /s
- deleted 2y ago
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- dylan604 2y ago
  I do not use Microsoft products. I do not use Google products in my personal life. Others do not use Apple products. So for some people, it absolutely does work. I don't shop at WalMart, and am damn near Amazon free too. A new sucker is born every minute. If the only time the name and shame is mentioned is when it happens, then those new borns will potentially never hear about it. Why do they preach to the choir? Because that's how you get them to sing.