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This seems to be yet another reckless and dishonest scam from yet another cohort of AI con artists. From starmoon.app: > With a platform that supports real-tim

This seems to be yet another reckless and dishonest scam from yet another cohort of AI con artists. From starmoon.app: > With a platform that supports real-time conversations safe for all ages...Our AI platform can analyse human-speech and emotion, and respond with empathy, offering supportive conversations and personalized learning assistance. These claims are certainly false. It is not acceptable for AI hucksters to lie about their product in order to make a quick buck, regardless of how many nice words they say about emotional growth. Do you have a single psychologist on your staff that signed off on any of this? Telling lies about commercial products will get you in trouble with regulators, and it truly seems like you deserve to get in trouble.

arendtio 2y ago
Can you please elaborate on why this is 'certainly false'? What is missing? To me, it looks like you have some experience with the topic and believe that it is very hard to build something like the device in question, but which properties of the solution make you so certain?
- aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
  The primary thing that's missing is any evidence that the claim is true, or even plausible. There's no indication that they even tested this with kids. I don't take advertising at face value, even if that advertising might appeal to sci-fi sensibilities. Your question has an air of "well you can't PROVE the flying spaghetti monster is false."
  - arendtio 2y ago
    I think the plausibility is granted by the usage of the emotion intelligence model[1]. However, I agree with you that this is very thin ice. Given the selection of books used as decoration in the video, the authors seem to have more of a business background [2] than one of psychology. I don't like calling someone a liar when no evidence is present (either way). I would rather say: 'Bold claims, can you prove it?' [1]: https://github.com/StarmoonAI/Starmoon/blob/main/.env.example#L14 https://github.com/StarmoonAI/Starmoon/blob/main/.env.exampl... [2]: https://youtu.be/59rwFuCMviE?t=69 https://youtu.be/59rwFuCMviE?t=69
    - akadeb 2y ago
      Those books made good props for the demo but I should add that we aren't exactly experts in it either. I have a background in computer engineering and math at UIUC and my cofounder has a background in data science and machine learning from city university in london and architectural computation at UCL. Ours are indeed bold claims and we have updated some copies on the website to update our core value prop
akadeb 2y ago
hey there I am one of the founders. this is our project which we are trying to grow through open-source. I agree our wording can be better so its backed by data and not just a marketing stint. > Do you have a single psychologist on your staff that signed off on any of this? We've been talking to pediatricians at portland hospital and cromwell hospital in london to support the "safe for all ages" claim but I agree that we want to back all our claims with data
- edent 2y ago
  Note to readers. The Cromwell Hospital is a private company. It is not part of the NHS.
  - zq2240 2y ago
    I would argue that most hospitals in the US are private.
meiraleal 2y ago
These claims are certainly not false. They described ChatGPT. > It is not acceptable for AI hucksters to lie about their product in order to make a quick buck You created a fake/throwaway just to make posts with this kind of cheap insults?

arendtio 2y ago

Can you please elaborate on why this is 'certainly false'? What is missing? To me, it looks like you have some experience with the topic and believe that it is very hard to build something like the device in question, but which properties of the solution make you so certain?

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
The primary thing that's missing is any evidence that the claim is true, or even plausible. There's no indication that they even tested this with kids. I don't take advertising at face value, even if that advertising might appeal to sci-fi sensibilities. Your question has an air of "well you can't PROVE the flying spaghetti monster is false."
- arendtio 2y ago
  I think the plausibility is granted by the usage of the emotion intelligence model[1]. However, I agree with you that this is very thin ice. Given the selection of books used as decoration in the video, the authors seem to have more of a business background [2] than one of psychology. I don't like calling someone a liar when no evidence is present (either way). I would rather say: 'Bold claims, can you prove it?' [1]: https://github.com/StarmoonAI/Starmoon/blob/main/.env.example#L14 https://github.com/StarmoonAI/Starmoon/blob/main/.env.exampl... [2]: https://youtu.be/59rwFuCMviE?t=69 https://youtu.be/59rwFuCMviE?t=69
  - akadeb 2y ago
    Those books made good props for the demo but I should add that we aren't exactly experts in it either. I have a background in computer engineering and math at UIUC and my cofounder has a background in data science and machine learning from city university in london and architectural computation at UCL. Ours are indeed bold claims and we have updated some copies on the website to update our core value prop

akadeb 2y ago

hey there I am one of the founders. this is our project which we are trying to grow through open-source. I agree our wording can be better so its backed by data and not just a marketing stint. > Do you have a single psychologist on your staff that signed off on any of this? We've been talking to pediatricians at portland hospital and cromwell hospital in london to support the "safe for all ages" claim but I agree that we want to back all our claims with data

edent 2y ago
Note to readers. The Cromwell Hospital is a private company. It is not part of the NHS.
- zq2240 2y ago
  I would argue that most hospitals in the US are private.

meiraleal 2y ago

These claims are certainly not false. They described ChatGPT. > It is not acceptable for AI hucksters to lie about their product in order to make a quick buck You created a fake/throwaway just to make posts with this kind of cheap insults?