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The solution to porch pirates is social, not technical.
by mikequinlan 2y ago
The solution to porch pirates is social, not technical.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoDunno man, there are days I think a solid dose of electric current can solve a lot of social issues.
- slater 2y agoWhy yes, assault is always a good option
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoIs it assault when stuff on your property is being stolen ( lets assume it is not an innocent bystander )? Honestly asking.
- dave4420 2y agoAs you seem to be thinking about an automated system… you should probably also check for laws against keeping an unsafe house (I can’t remember what the keyword is here, sorry).
- slater 2y agoYes. Unless you're making some weird "stand your ground" Florida-law-style argument.
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- EA-3167 2y agoYes, in the US at least setting booby traps with the potential to cause harm is entirely illegal, even on private property.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoCould you elaborate a little? This is admittedly not what I intended this thread for, but you got me really curious. I am ok if you focus only on the federal aspect, but I do live in Illinois if you want to try covering state portion.
- EA-3167 2y agoI think that's reasonable, plus it is a fun subject. For a totally accessible answer this article is hard to beat IMO: https://theprepared.com/blog/booby-trap-laws/ https://theprepared.com/blog/booby-trap-laws/ It gets to the core issue, which is that the laws as written are pretty vague, but the jurisprudence is overwhelmingly in favor of siding against booby traps. It's illegal at the federal level, and as far as I'm aware prohibited by all states as well, either explicitly or more usually through precedent in court. The reasoning of the courts seems to be more or less identical: it's a dangerous destructive device incapable of making the sort of prudent judgement required for a use of force. In short, it's an irresponsible and indiscriminate use of force. Now you asked about Illinois in particular, so here's the relevant statute there: https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt%2E+19&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=63000000&SeqEnd=63800000 https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=0720...
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y agoThank you. That was genuinely illuminating and what I love HN for.
- fuzzfactor 2y agoIf you had a remote door opener the Amazon driver could use after he got back outside the gate, he could release your dobermans and you would be OK. If you had a robot dog instead, not so much.
- muzani 2y agoIt's banned under international law too, Protocol II. There's a few loopholes, but a good lawyer could probably get you tried for a war crime for putting a glitter bomb on a toaster.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoA friend recently had a three person team break into his three flat building during broad daylight in Chicago near ORD. It took 60+ minutes for CPD to respond. Luckily, he had the pump action shotgun I had purchased him and was home at the time. CPD took the report and left. We’ve reached out to Flock for cameras for the street. Assault is not great, but the necessary response is a function of a low trust society. Better to be safe than experience loss to life and property.