> sending in piles of applications and waiting to hear back. Applying to lots of jobs online like everyone else turns the process into a lazy, passive, and ulti

> sending in piles of applications and waiting to hear back. Applying to lots of jobs online like everyone else turns the process into a lazy, passive, and ultimately frustrating exercise. This isn't what I do. I've said as much. And I don't advocate that people do this. I completely agree that candidates shouldn't vomit out low effort applications. So, again, why are you in this thread? You are replying to me but not what I'm saying. > Who do you think will find a job first? The person who concentrates on identifying possible employers, cultivating contacts and referrals, and getting their CV in front of the hiring manager? I've literally done this. It gets me nowhere. I get ghosted. At best, I get interviews where they clearly have no intention to seriously consider me as a candidate. > Or the person scrolling through LinkedIn, waiting, then angrily posting their "I got ghosted" story? Your advice is lame and this is a caricature. I agree that people shouldn't do this. Maybe you see that I'm on this forum here on this thread doing this and you think this is LinkedIn? Do you think this is LinkedIn? Your advice is literally just, don't use your resume as a forum to vent. Like, wow, genius dude, did you figure that out yourself bud? Good job! > None of us can control what employers post, or how they screen, interview, and maintain their job postings, or whether they reply or ghost candidates. This is the apathy I refer to. Companies can be considerate of their public image and respond to that. The culture around hiring is a thing that candidates participate in and do affect. I think you would even agree with this when you talk about a "race to the bottom". If applicants submit AI slop or spam companies then companies don't feel like their time is valued and might not reciprocate. Not only do both parties have the power to affect the culture by how they conduct themselves, they have a responsibility to. My entire point, from the beginning, is that companies don't value my time regardless of how much time or effort I put in. The advice you give about trying to establish relationships or just not submit AI slop in applications is not helpful, in general, because companies, in general, do not value the effort I put in to an application; they are, in general, indiscriminate. If you've had different experiences, I'm happy for you. But if your goal is just to disagree on this basic fact or insist that nothing can be done about it then this isn't for you and you have nothing of value to add to it. A website like this at the very least can help identify what companies do value their candidate's more than others and act responsibly. So that people like me don't overgeneralize their negative experiences with one company to all the others. And yeah I'd expect that could affect the public image of companies with anti-social behavior. Like every few months when there's another thread and someone posts about how the hiring process at Canonical is absurd for asking them 30 questions about your time in high school, that generally isn't a good look.