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25k people starve to death each day[0]. Those deaths all happen in capitalist economies. That's 9 million each year, for who knows how many years since we devel
by ossobuco 2y ago
25k people starve to death each day[0]. Those deaths all happen in capitalist economies. That's 9 million each year, for who knows how many years since we developed the necessary technology to have a surplus of food. We're talking about hundreds of millions of preventable deaths, if not more. That's just the result of a very inefficient economic system—without even counting wars, lack of healthcare, and so on.
I'll happily choose communism over such an incredibly unjust system, even if it caused "100 million" deaths worldwide, as you say. That number is complete BS, by the way.
- [0]: https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-every-day https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/losing-25000-hunger-...
- mopsi 2y agoWhich of the countries facing hunger have anything resembling a modern market economy?
- ossobuco 2y agoThe real question is why don't they have a modern market economy, and if they all did, what would happen to the existing modern market economies?
- mopsi 2y agoThat was a long way of saying "none". Massive food surplus is a feature of efficient market economies. By rejecting it on ideological grounds, it should come as no surprise that countries like Afghanistan or North Korea end up with hunger. Their development into modern countries would free others from the burden of having to provide food and other aid to their starving citizens.
- ossobuco 2y agoWhat a laughably naive view of the world. Ever wondered why goods are affordable in our "modern market economies"? It's because we exploit labor and resources in poorer countries, at a fraction of what it would cost here, to produce cheap goods. So what do you think is going to happen the day that all poorer countries have developed into "modern market economies" and we can't exploit them like we do today? You realize that our economies would have to change completely?
- wiseowise 2y ago> It's because we exploit labor and resources in poorer countries Of course we do, tovarisch.
- ossobuco 2y ago> Of course we do, tovarisch. Nice argument you got there; it really shows your unwillingness to see things for what they are. Keep living the dream, no worries, there is no exploitation in the world, and your lifestyle is entirely moral.
- oneshtein 2y agoIt's huge difference between death and kill. Holodomor (genocide of Ukrainians by USSR) was planned for 8 years, and then carefully executed, while nobody plans deaths of starvation because of overpopulation.
- aguaviva 2y agoI'm not too well-informed about the operational mechanics of the Holodomor, so if you have any articles/chapters to recommend in regard to the long-term planning process that led up to it, that would be appreciated.
- oneshtein 2y agoYou can read some history and documents here: https://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/the-history-of-the-holodomor/ https://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/the-history-of-the-holodom... I cannot find detailed history of Holodomor translated to English language. However, nothing special here: physical elimination of richer people is the corner stone of communism ideology. Communists did the same in all captured countries.