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Russian usage of Nazis is specific the Russian history of defending against the Nazis in WWII. It’s not like in the west. In Russia it’s a patriotic thing to i

Russian usage of Nazis is specific the Russian history of defending against the Nazis in WWII. It’s not like in the west. In Russia it’s a patriotic thing to imply that Russia is acting in self defense and justify their actions to the public. Russian propaganda to Russians is about convincing them it’s not a genocidal land grab.

protomolecule 2y ago
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- jncfhnb 2y ago
  The mass graves of civilians, mass deportation of children, erasure of cultural artifacts, leveling of cities, constant bombing of civilian targets, reeducation efforts beg to differ. You can rightly fuck off.
- jemmyw 2y ago
  Is it? Putin has said he doesn't believe Ukraine to be a nation or Ukrainians to be a separate people. Genocide is the crime of erasing a culture. It does not mean killing everyone, although that's one way to commit genocide. So it actually seems like the correct use of the word. It's the popular interpretation that is incorrect.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >Genocide is the crime of erasing a culture. Wrong. Here is the definition: https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      The parent comment to yours was apparently referring to "cultural genocide", which is apparently what you're nitpicking them on. Meanwhile we have the infinitely greater fact that the aggressor is most likely guilty on all 5 counts of the definition you do cite (point 4 may be somewhat debatable, but its culpability on the other counts is beyond dispute by this point): Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: 1. Killing members of the group; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group See also: https://icj-cij.org/case/182 https://icj-cij.org/case/182
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        After the ICC decided that evacuation of orphans from the warzone is genocide, I don't think its "guilty" verdicts worth the paper they are printed on.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        Right, they've just gone off to summer camp. Which they enjoyed so much (along with the language lessons) that they wouldn't even dream of wanting to go back home.
- libertine 2y ago
  I think it quite fits perfectly the definition if you analyze the actions of Russia: - Having a presidential statement saying Ukraine and Ukrainians don't exist (a major red flag, from a culture that is at least as old, if not older than Russia); - Kidnapping and filtrating 30.000 children (one of the crimes of genocide); - Terrorizing and bringing unlivable conditions to an ethnic group just because of their ethnicity and nationality - Russia has destroyed Ukraine power grids, destroyed medical facilities, much like they did in Chechnya; - Stealing and erasing cultural artifacts, changing school curriculum of occupied territory to indoctrinate children against their culture; Not to mention the mass executions of civilians, just because they were Ukrainians. But the list goes on.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  It is not, it’s a fact backed by many sources and the simple fact that Russia could choose to leave tomorrow and it all stop. This is 100% on Russian & Putin and weasel words should not be used to describe what is happening
- mopsi 2y ago
  Not when Russian president, minister of defense, chief of the general staff of the armed forces, and other people are internationally wanted for genocide and war crimes.

protomolecule 2y ago

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jncfhnb 2y ago
The mass graves of civilians, mass deportation of children, erasure of cultural artifacts, leveling of cities, constant bombing of civilian targets, reeducation efforts beg to differ. You can rightly fuck off.
jemmyw 2y ago
Is it? Putin has said he doesn't believe Ukraine to be a nation or Ukrainians to be a separate people. Genocide is the crime of erasing a culture. It does not mean killing everyone, although that's one way to commit genocide. So it actually seems like the correct use of the word. It's the popular interpretation that is incorrect.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  >Genocide is the crime of erasing a culture. Wrong. Here is the definition: https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    The parent comment to yours was apparently referring to "cultural genocide", which is apparently what you're nitpicking them on. Meanwhile we have the infinitely greater fact that the aggressor is most likely guilty on all 5 counts of the definition you do cite (point 4 may be somewhat debatable, but its culpability on the other counts is beyond dispute by this point): Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: 1. Killing members of the group; 2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; 3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; 4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; 5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group See also: https://icj-cij.org/case/182 https://icj-cij.org/case/182
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      After the ICC decided that evacuation of orphans from the warzone is genocide, I don't think its "guilty" verdicts worth the paper they are printed on.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        Right, they've just gone off to summer camp. Which they enjoyed so much (along with the language lessons) that they wouldn't even dream of wanting to go back home.
libertine 2y ago
I think it quite fits perfectly the definition if you analyze the actions of Russia: - Having a presidential statement saying Ukraine and Ukrainians don't exist (a major red flag, from a culture that is at least as old, if not older than Russia); - Kidnapping and filtrating 30.000 children (one of the crimes of genocide); - Terrorizing and bringing unlivable conditions to an ethnic group just because of their ethnicity and nationality - Russia has destroyed Ukraine power grids, destroyed medical facilities, much like they did in Chechnya; - Stealing and erasing cultural artifacts, changing school curriculum of occupied territory to indoctrinate children against their culture; Not to mention the mass executions of civilians, just because they were Ukrainians. But the list goes on.
EasyMark 2y ago
It is not, it’s a fact backed by many sources and the simple fact that Russia could choose to leave tomorrow and it all stop. This is 100% on Russian & Putin and weasel words should not be used to describe what is happening
mopsi 2y ago
Not when Russian president, minister of defense, chief of the general staff of the armed forces, and other people are internationally wanted for genocide and war crimes.