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100% agreed - given that they published this under their own name though, I wonder how much of that was just echoing the corporate mission statement of Automatt

100% agreed - given that they published this under their own name though, I wonder how much of that was just echoing the corporate mission statement of Automattic for the sake of any colleagues who happen to stumble across the blog.

saghm 2y ago
I was a bit dubious about this point of view before reading the full post, but wow, the last couple paragraphs lay it on thick. Suing someone for using your open source product in their own product takes "courage"? Comparing the work of developing Wordpress to Rodney King? I want to give the author the benefit of the doubt, and maybe I'm too cynical, but this sounds even more corporate-y than a lot of stuff I've read on company-hosted blogs.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I don't think there was a comparison between WordPress and Rodney King. If so, what is the comparison being claimed. Is WordPress the cops? The one saying can't we get along? The way I read it at least, it was a simple reference and sentiment, not a comparison.
  - saghm 2y ago
    Fair enough. It still feels shoehorned in to me though, almost like an essay in school students are told to include a quote in their conclusion (something that happened in my English class at least once from what I can remember), which just adds to the vibe of this being "homework" to support their employer rather than coming across as authentic.
  - lovich 2y ago
    Literally the one saying can't we all get along is referencing Rodney King and inferring a comparison between them. For future readers the article at one point said >On May 1, 1992, a man who’d been horribly beaten by the L.A. police called for calm in five heartfelt, memorable words: “Can’t we all get along?” This is a reference to a statement by Rodney King near the end of the riot period. https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/may-1-1992-victim-rodney-kings-asks-can-we-all-get-along/ https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      Yes, I said it seemed like a reference. A reference is different than a comparison. What is the comparison to the company? Can you explain it to me?
      - lovich 2y ago
        The literal first sentence of your comment is > I don't think there was a comparison between WordPress and Rodney King You did not say it “seemed” like a reference, you explicitly said there was no comparison
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I dont know what part of this is confusing you. There is no comparison. there is a reference. A reference is not a comparison. You also didnt answer my question. You are claiming there is an inferred comparison. If so, please explain what two things are being compared, and in what way.
        lovich 2y ago
        Does the reference have no interaction with the rest of the blog post? If I mention that I have a big idea and then mention how a great man also once stated “I have a dream”, do you think I’m referencing MLK with no inferred comparison to my idea? Referencing something in light of your previous statement out of nowhere for a public blog post is a comparison. If you think this just happened randomly and was completely divorced from the previous context then I struggle to understand how to communicate with you
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Yet you still can't tell me who was compared and if it was favorable or not.
        lovich 2y ago
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flutas 2y ago
> I wonder how much of that was just echoing the corporate mission statement of Automattic for the sake of any colleagues who happen to stumble across the blog. It's fairly obvious that's what it is. Or they are being forced to post "I stayed", as nearly everyone that I've come across that works there is posting it. To the point where it doesn't even feel organic. For anyone else that wants the latest drama: Matt seems to be weaponizing Automattic and CVE's against WP Engine now. https://x.com/automattic/status/1842612123488473341 https://x.com/automattic/status/1842612123488473341
- Kye 2y ago
  Post deleted. What did it say?
  - ValentineC 2y ago
    The tweet has been deleted, but this other submission was in reply to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41752289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41752289
  - flutas 2y ago
    The Tweets original content was[0]: > Automattic's security team has responsibly disclosed a vulnerability in @wp_acf to @wpengine. As is standard, they have 30 days to issue a fix before public disclosure. We have reserved this CVE for the issue: https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2024-9529 https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2024-9529 Basically announcing to the world that there is a CVE in a very widely used ("2MM+ sites") WP plugin, that also can't be patched as they banned the developers accounts from updating said plugin[1]. [0]: https://imgur.com/a/wf73amz https://imgur.com/a/wf73amz [1]: https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/ https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/
    - paulryanrogers 2y ago
      Perhaps Automattic's goal is to force WPEngine to host their plugin(s) elsewhere? And also force WPEngine to have their own plugin cache or plugin market? Or at least no longer rely on WordPress.org's plugin repo directly.

saghm 2y ago

I was a bit dubious about this point of view before reading the full post, but wow, the last couple paragraphs lay it on thick. Suing someone for using your open source product in their own product takes "courage"? Comparing the work of developing Wordpress to Rodney King? I want to give the author the benefit of the doubt, and maybe I'm too cynical, but this sounds even more corporate-y than a lot of stuff I've read on company-hosted blogs.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
I don't think there was a comparison between WordPress and Rodney King. If so, what is the comparison being claimed. Is WordPress the cops? The one saying can't we get along? The way I read it at least, it was a simple reference and sentiment, not a comparison.
- saghm 2y ago
  Fair enough. It still feels shoehorned in to me though, almost like an essay in school students are told to include a quote in their conclusion (something that happened in my English class at least once from what I can remember), which just adds to the vibe of this being "homework" to support their employer rather than coming across as authentic.
- lovich 2y ago
  Literally the one saying can't we all get along is referencing Rodney King and inferring a comparison between them. For future readers the article at one point said >On May 1, 1992, a man who’d been horribly beaten by the L.A. police called for calm in five heartfelt, memorable words: “Can’t we all get along?” This is a reference to a statement by Rodney King near the end of the riot period. https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/may-1-1992-victim-rodney-kings-asks-can-we-all-get-along/ https://archive.nytimes.com/learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    Yes, I said it seemed like a reference. A reference is different than a comparison. What is the comparison to the company? Can you explain it to me?
    - lovich 2y ago
      The literal first sentence of your comment is > I don't think there was a comparison between WordPress and Rodney King You did not say it “seemed” like a reference, you explicitly said there was no comparison
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I dont know what part of this is confusing you. There is no comparison. there is a reference. A reference is not a comparison. You also didnt answer my question. You are claiming there is an inferred comparison. If so, please explain what two things are being compared, and in what way.
        lovich 2y ago
        Does the reference have no interaction with the rest of the blog post? If I mention that I have a big idea and then mention how a great man also once stated “I have a dream”, do you think I’m referencing MLK with no inferred comparison to my idea? Referencing something in light of your previous statement out of nowhere for a public blog post is a comparison. If you think this just happened randomly and was completely divorced from the previous context then I struggle to understand how to communicate with you
        s1artibartfast 2y ago
        Yet you still can't tell me who was compared and if it was favorable or not.
        lovich 2y ago

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flutas 2y ago

> I wonder how much of that was just echoing the corporate mission statement of Automattic for the sake of any colleagues who happen to stumble across the blog. It's fairly obvious that's what it is. Or they are being forced to post "I stayed", as nearly everyone that I've come across that works there is posting it. To the point where it doesn't even feel organic. For anyone else that wants the latest drama: Matt seems to be weaponizing Automattic and CVE's against WP Engine now. https://x.com/automattic/status/1842612123488473341 https://x.com/automattic/status/1842612123488473341

Kye 2y ago
Post deleted. What did it say?
- ValentineC 2y ago
  The tweet has been deleted, but this other submission was in reply to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41752289 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41752289
- flutas 2y ago
  The Tweets original content was[0]: > Automattic's security team has responsibly disclosed a vulnerability in @wp_acf to @wpengine. As is standard, they have 30 days to issue a fix before public disclosure. We have reserved this CVE for the issue: https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2024-9529 https://www.cve.org/CVERecord?id=CVE-2024-9529 Basically announcing to the world that there is a CVE in a very widely used ("2MM+ sites") WP plugin, that also can't be patched as they banned the developers accounts from updating said plugin[1]. [0]: https://imgur.com/a/wf73amz https://imgur.com/a/wf73amz [1]: https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/ https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-banned/
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    Perhaps Automattic's goal is to force WPEngine to host their plugin(s) elsewhere? And also force WPEngine to have their own plugin cache or plugin market? Or at least no longer rely on WordPress.org's plugin repo directly.