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I don't know a lot, but I do know that the legal profession will change itself as required to protect itself. Which includes protecting itself from being comple

I don't know a lot, but I do know that the legal profession will change itself as required to protect itself. Which includes protecting itself from being completely intolerable to the wider populace. This is a law of the Universe on par with the "death and taxes" adage. What this may look like is measures that will make legal action, and even public action on par with "comments", far less accessible. At least to robots. Though, I can't predict how that will look in terms of detail.

qup 2y ago
This looks like more work/income for the legal profession, not less work. The whole article is about how with minimal effort you can cost companies and individuals beaucoup bucks in legal expenses.
- mrangle 2y ago
  Your two statements logically conflict. I understand the article. Your first line is not what it says. See the "Legal Cost Collapse" subhead. In addition, logically LLM's will increasingly allow individuals to free themselves from the need for attorneys. And again, see the Cyber Risk subhead for issues implying an intolerable state of affairs for the wider public. In that light as well as other context, your second line will be a major part of the subtext for why the legal environment adapts away from LLM access.
  - Kon-Peki 2y ago
    > logically LLM's will increasingly allow individuals to free themselves from the need for attorneys. No. Not a chance. If you sue me with LLM-generated filings, I’m going to be paying a lawyer to mercilessly win, using LLMs as needed (perhaps using LLMs to test various responses to your filings that cause your LLM to spit out something that is terrible for you but you’d have no idea since you aren’t using a lawyer).
    - mrangle 2y ago
      Legal access and the viability of the human-staffed legal profession aren't just about litigation. Moreover, your and everyone else's respective ability to continue to counter lawsuits is severely limited by how much cash you and they have. Change is on the way, even if it mostly ends with radical defensive restructuring on the part of the law and legal profession.
newyankee 2y ago
You should sometimes review the Indian judicial system and their judgements. I have never seen a more self congratulatory, smug and confident yet incompetent people in my life. All hiding under some pretense of intellectual superiority that is enabled by a corrupt collegium system that makes it difficult to disrupt. Essentially run by a handful of families and inner circle. Just another shadow govt. type entity.
- rayiner 2y ago
  Bangladeshi Supreme Court decisions are similar. Just completely lawless. Makes “emanations from penumbras” seem rigorous in comparison.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    The one comparing Islam to a national bird or something was right up there.
    - rayiner 2y ago
      The Bangladesh high court ruling that reinstated the quota system and quite likely was the catalyst for the subsequent overthrow of the government was completely devoid of legal standards: https://www.supremecourt.gov.bd/resources/documents/2110398_W.P.No.6063of2021.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov.bd/resources/documents/2110398_... The high court found a constitutional right to the quota even though it wasn’t in the text of the constitution. Textualism could have saved the government.
      - selimthegrim 2y ago
        Weren’t these all Hasina’s judges?
gamblor956 2y ago
Generative AI can't even handle complex programming tasks, and those have discrete and measurable outcomes. Generative AI won't be able to handle the law. That will require actual AI (meaning, a system that is capable of understanding, not just one that predicts which word should follow another as Gen AI does now).

qup 2y ago

This looks like more work/income for the legal profession, not less work. The whole article is about how with minimal effort you can cost companies and individuals beaucoup bucks in legal expenses.

mrangle 2y ago
Your two statements logically conflict. I understand the article. Your first line is not what it says. See the "Legal Cost Collapse" subhead. In addition, logically LLM's will increasingly allow individuals to free themselves from the need for attorneys. And again, see the Cyber Risk subhead for issues implying an intolerable state of affairs for the wider public. In that light as well as other context, your second line will be a major part of the subtext for why the legal environment adapts away from LLM access.
- Kon-Peki 2y ago
  > logically LLM's will increasingly allow individuals to free themselves from the need for attorneys. No. Not a chance. If you sue me with LLM-generated filings, I’m going to be paying a lawyer to mercilessly win, using LLMs as needed (perhaps using LLMs to test various responses to your filings that cause your LLM to spit out something that is terrible for you but you’d have no idea since you aren’t using a lawyer).
  - mrangle 2y ago
    Legal access and the viability of the human-staffed legal profession aren't just about litigation. Moreover, your and everyone else's respective ability to continue to counter lawsuits is severely limited by how much cash you and they have. Change is on the way, even if it mostly ends with radical defensive restructuring on the part of the law and legal profession.

newyankee 2y ago

You should sometimes review the Indian judicial system and their judgements. I have never seen a more self congratulatory, smug and confident yet incompetent people in my life. All hiding under some pretense of intellectual superiority that is enabled by a corrupt collegium system that makes it difficult to disrupt. Essentially run by a handful of families and inner circle. Just another shadow govt. type entity.

rayiner 2y ago
Bangladeshi Supreme Court decisions are similar. Just completely lawless. Makes “emanations from penumbras” seem rigorous in comparison.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  The one comparing Islam to a national bird or something was right up there.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    The Bangladesh high court ruling that reinstated the quota system and quite likely was the catalyst for the subsequent overthrow of the government was completely devoid of legal standards: https://www.supremecourt.gov.bd/resources/documents/2110398_W.P.No.6063of2021.pdf https://www.supremecourt.gov.bd/resources/documents/2110398_... The high court found a constitutional right to the quota even though it wasn’t in the text of the constitution. Textualism could have saved the government.
    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      Weren’t these all Hasina’s judges?

gamblor956 2y ago

Generative AI can't even handle complex programming tasks, and those have discrete and measurable outcomes. Generative AI won't be able to handle the law. That will require actual AI (meaning, a system that is capable of understanding, not just one that predicts which word should follow another as Gen AI does now).