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It seems that continuously promising something is X weeks/months/years away is seen as optimism and belief, not blatant disregard for facts. I'm sure the defen

by butterfly42069 2y ago

It seems that continuously promising something is X weeks/months/years away is seen as optimism and belief, not blatant disregard for facts. I'm sure the defence is always, "but if we just had a bit more money, we would've got it done"

Zigurd 2y ago
Elizabeth Holmes would like a referral to lawyer who could make that case.
- butterfly42069 2y ago
  I think her end product was too clearly defined for anything she was doing to be passed as progress. I don't think you could make the case for her. You can make a case that partial self driving is a route to FSD, the ISS is en route to Mars and (you can make a potentially slightly less compelling case) LLMs are on the way to AGI. No one can make a case that lady was en route to the tech she promised
  - grahamj 2y ago
    I think she thought it was going to work for a while. The problem was when she got to the point of realizing it wouldn't and had the chance to stop there, she doubled down. That's why she's in prison today.
- throwintothesea 2y ago
  Elizabeth Holmes screwed up by telling the wrong lies and also having the wrong chromosomes. She should've called some cave rescuers pedophiles, then maybe people would've respected her.
- slashdave 2y ago
  There is a line. Forging documents is one of them.
- comfysocks 2y ago
  Holmes, Balwani and co lied about their current technology, which is a step beyond making overly optimistic future projections. They claimed to have their own technology when they were actually using their competitor’s machines with diluted blood samples.
blindriver 2y ago
That’s not what happened to Theranos and Elisabeth Holmes
- butterfly42069 2y ago
  Well I didn't say everyone could pull it off successfully I think the more abstract and less defined the end goal is, the easier it is to make everything look like progress. The blood testing lady was a pass/fail really. FSD/AGI are things where you can make anything look like a milestone. Same with SpaceX going to Mars.
- kloop 2y ago
  They made medical claims. That's a very bad idea if you aren't 100% sure
  - slashdave 2y ago
    Forget that. Pasting logos of big-named companies on forged documents. I mean, seriously?

Zigurd 2y ago

Elizabeth Holmes would like a referral to lawyer who could make that case.

butterfly42069 2y ago
I think her end product was too clearly defined for anything she was doing to be passed as progress. I don't think you could make the case for her. You can make a case that partial self driving is a route to FSD, the ISS is en route to Mars and (you can make a potentially slightly less compelling case) LLMs are on the way to AGI. No one can make a case that lady was en route to the tech she promised
- grahamj 2y ago
  I think she thought it was going to work for a while. The problem was when she got to the point of realizing it wouldn't and had the chance to stop there, she doubled down. That's why she's in prison today.
throwintothesea 2y ago
Elizabeth Holmes screwed up by telling the wrong lies and also having the wrong chromosomes. She should've called some cave rescuers pedophiles, then maybe people would've respected her.
slashdave 2y ago
There is a line. Forging documents is one of them.
comfysocks 2y ago
Holmes, Balwani and co lied about their current technology, which is a step beyond making overly optimistic future projections. They claimed to have their own technology when they were actually using their competitor’s machines with diluted blood samples.

blindriver 2y ago

That’s not what happened to Theranos and Elisabeth Holmes

butterfly42069 2y ago
Well I didn't say everyone could pull it off successfully I think the more abstract and less defined the end goal is, the easier it is to make everything look like progress. The blood testing lady was a pass/fail really. FSD/AGI are things where you can make anything look like a milestone. Same with SpaceX going to Mars.
kloop 2y ago
They made medical claims. That's a very bad idea if you aren't 100% sure
- slashdave 2y ago
  Forget that. Pasting logos of big-named companies on forged documents. I mean, seriously?