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> it necessarily involves conduct, activity or interests. nit: did you mean conduct (which connotes moral principles) or did you mean plain behaviour (which do

by froh 2y ago

> it necessarily involves conduct, activity or interests. nit: did you mean conduct (which connotes moral principles) or did you mean plain behaviour (which doesn't lump what you do together with if it's "right" or "wrong", according to some but maybe not some other rulebook)

AStonesThrow 2y ago
It's the difference between mere claims and actual being/status. Does Meta differentiate these when processing personal data? Does Meta seek truth/evidence? Does Meta weight inferences accordingly? does Meta accept subject's claims about self at face-value?
- froh 2y ago
  I see. so there are _two_ replies necessary here. first, to your question above, repeated here. indeed meta "guesses" your age, gender identity, sexual orientation, political party affiliation, stance on various political issues, and many other traits, consumer profile and all. and meta guesses this from your interaction with your feed, from what you like or dislike and what you share and don't share, and where you comment in or don't. and it's accurate enough for your their purpose, placing content you'll positively react to, positive solely in the sense of those buying the content placement. that's the meta ad business. have profiles that are good enough to allow content targeting. is it scientific, fully spot on, diagnostically sound? hell no. is it good enough to overturn Britain (brexit...) or get trump im office? you bet. that's the first question, and the one you ask here and above. the second is what I'm talking about in my nit. it's about assumed and hypothesized nuances of gayness, and the language to express those nuances. and what I'm saying is that the concepts of "only gay feelings, attractions" vs "living by it" are a moral concepts. in other words, the language, the words in the questions you've posted imply, carry, a good and evil dichotomy. and I point that out and reject it. you are not less gay if you are closeted and suppress that trait. "oh I don't _do_ gay things, I 'only' am attracted to men, but I wouldn't allow myself to actually fall in love" is being gay, period. closeted. self-suppressing. but: gay. claiming you were only gay when you kissed may be an environmental necessity (oppressive states or affiliations) I give you that. but being gay is about attraction. fun fact: social sciences measure it by measuring arousal. if gay content turns you on, you're gay, scientifically speaking. simples.
  - AStonesThrow 2y ago
    Well, this case seemed to hinge on a single public self-identification vs. those accurate inferences. So your people, and my people, and Facebook, and the EU, may all have differing standards on what "being gay" means. But you would agree that a verbal assertion on a panel discussion would not necessarily be accurate or diagnostic. I would also suggest that it's not a "yes/no" binary as you imply; many terms are left ambiguous and subjective; and my people would say that "orientation" may change over time or based on situation. I don't know what you'd consider "gay content", but if you mean "Bewitched" or "The Wizard of Oz" or Marc Almond and The Smiths, then I must be gay as well, so where is my ad content?

by froh 2y ago

AStonesThrow 2y ago

It's the difference between mere claims and actual being/status. Does Meta differentiate these when processing personal data? Does Meta seek truth/evidence? Does Meta weight inferences accordingly? does Meta accept subject's claims about self at face-value?

froh 2y ago
I see. so there are _two_ replies necessary here. first, to your question above, repeated here. indeed meta "guesses" your age, gender identity, sexual orientation, political party affiliation, stance on various political issues, and many other traits, consumer profile and all. and meta guesses this from your interaction with your feed, from what you like or dislike and what you share and don't share, and where you comment in or don't. and it's accurate enough for your their purpose, placing content you'll positively react to, positive solely in the sense of those buying the content placement. that's the meta ad business. have profiles that are good enough to allow content targeting. is it scientific, fully spot on, diagnostically sound? hell no. is it good enough to overturn Britain (brexit...) or get trump im office? you bet. that's the first question, and the one you ask here and above. the second is what I'm talking about in my nit. it's about assumed and hypothesized nuances of gayness, and the language to express those nuances. and what I'm saying is that the concepts of "only gay feelings, attractions" vs "living by it" are a moral concepts. in other words, the language, the words in the questions you've posted imply, carry, a good and evil dichotomy. and I point that out and reject it. you are not less gay if you are closeted and suppress that trait. "oh I don't _do_ gay things, I 'only' am attracted to men, but I wouldn't allow myself to actually fall in love" is being gay, period. closeted. self-suppressing. but: gay. claiming you were only gay when you kissed may be an environmental necessity (oppressive states or affiliations) I give you that. but being gay is about attraction. fun fact: social sciences measure it by measuring arousal. if gay content turns you on, you're gay, scientifically speaking. simples.
- AStonesThrow 2y ago
  Well, this case seemed to hinge on a single public self-identification vs. those accurate inferences. So your people, and my people, and Facebook, and the EU, may all have differing standards on what "being gay" means. But you would agree that a verbal assertion on a panel discussion would not necessarily be accurate or diagnostic. I would also suggest that it's not a "yes/no" binary as you imply; many terms are left ambiguous and subjective; and my people would say that "orientation" may change over time or based on situation. I don't know what you'd consider "gay content", but if you mean "Bewitched" or "The Wizard of Oz" or Marc Almond and The Smiths, then I must be gay as well, so where is my ad content?