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Max Schrems is an international treasure. > Meta said it was awaiting publication of the court’s full judgment and that it “takes privacy very seriously.” I w

by sofixa 2y ago

Max Schrems is an international treasure. > Meta said it was awaiting publication of the court’s full judgment and that it “takes privacy very seriously.” I wonder how Meta employees can keep a straight face lying their faces off. I'm getting second hand embarrassment from them. Imagine being caught in such a blatant and egregious privacy violation and having to gall to make such a claim.

hyggetrold 2y ago
> I wonder how Meta employees can keep a straight face lying their faces off. Did you see that Social Dilemma documentary? People only find their conscience after they've checked a big bankroll. I've been in tech for almost two decades now and I've seen many many many good people throw their values right out the window once the price was right.
- paul7986 2y ago
  If you're a startup founder with high morality you could never go against you are going to have trouble succeeding!
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > If you're a startup founder with high morality…you are going to have trouble succeeding This reminds of people who claim they’re too honest to disguise that they’re assholes. You can absolutely start a company and make lots of money without compromising your values. Someone claiming otherwise is usually trying to excuse bad behaviour or get over a past failure.
    - hyggetrold 2y ago
      > You can absolutely start a company and make lots of money without compromising your values. Here's the thing though, and I say this from personal experience...if you're willing to compromise your values...you can make a shitload of money.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > if you're willing to compromise your values...you can make a shitload of money Of course. But then you’re also playing a different game, one where the downsides are expanded from make no money to go to jail or worse.
        paul7986 2y ago
        Go to jail ... so many startup bro(s) have lied, cheated, stole and possibly worse to get to where they are and they didnt care. Same with many politicians on the left and right should be locked up for doing worse but arent and wont. Pardon to get political just saying the uber successful that most lack the same morality regular folks do. That was a downfall in my startup adventures my morality and being a nice guy!
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        This reminds me of the popular view of insider trading. Numpties think everyone does it. So they do. And then they get caught. Because executing an insider trade ex ante versus detecting it ex post facto is an P != NP problem.
        justinclift 2y ago
        Or be outright killed, depending upon who you decided to cross.
      - paul7986 2y ago
        Sure, you can start a company and make money, but if you wanna do startups and win the race, you will have to plow over everyone (without caring an ounce) in your way
diggan 2y ago
Meta/Facebook kind of have a track record of strong claims that doesn't really hold up when scrutinized. From https://www.llama.com/ https://www.llama.com/ > The open-source AI model [...] Llama is the leading open source model family Then from https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-3.2-1B https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-3.2-1B > License: Use of Llama 3.2 is governed by the Llama 3.2 Community License (a custom, commercial license agreement). In that license: Section 1(b)(i) requires you to display "Built with Llama" (branding requirements, really?). Section 2 has additional restrictive licensing requirements. Section 5(c) has retaliation that your license is terminated if you initiate legal proceedings. There is probably more too. Pretty close to "Not Open Source". Yet, Meta continue marketing Llama as such.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  yes and, it is essential that Meta is doing this with LLama at this time.. it is literally at their whim. so, complicated...
- gopher_space 2y ago
  It feels safe to ignore licenses on models trained with copyrighted material. Meta should feel free to open that can of worms if they’re bothered by it.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  There is no way that legal proceedings clause could hold up.
scotty79 2y ago
They are taking privacy, very seriously.
- imron 2y ago
  Beautifully placed comma
CommieBobDole 2y ago
That's just basic PR-speak; it's apparently important to release a statement saying "we are and have always been very serious about not doing (thing that we do and got caught doing)" after you've been caught doing a thing. I think the idea is there's some percentage of the public that will just uncritically accept the last thing they were told as gospel truth, and the rest don't believe you any less than they did before, so it's a net win.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  To note, they're not talking about not screwing X. All they're saying is they take X very seriously. Which can be interpreted positively by some, yet doesn't put them too much at risk when tomorrow they're found again screwing X. They'll still be taking X very seriously at that time.
  - Terr_ 2y ago
    Exactly, it's often weasel-wording that loosely suggests they're seriously against something, but state they are just generically serious regarding a topic in an abstract manner. "The police officers killed my dog! Right through the screen door!" "Please calm down sir, I assure you the the department takes the handling of pets very seriously..."
- nprateem 2y ago
  And of course that you welcome the judgment against you and look forward to blah blah blah
- deleted 2y ago
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- CatWChainsaw 2y ago
  I just mentally translate any PR statement like that as "fuck you we'll keep doing what we're doing, enjoy your portion of the paltry fine we pay once you receive it after a decade of appeals."
Alupis 2y ago
The article is short on details. Schrems alleges that Facebook somehow picked up his sexual orientation from a panel meeting, and then advertised to him based on that? Is it not more likely that the group of people/profiles and activities he participated on Facebook are what "outed" him instead? I had hoped for more details about how Schrems and/or a court were able to prove Facebook took his off-site meeting into account and based ads on that alone.
stavros 2y ago
Yes he is, please donate yearly to https://noyb.eu/ https://noyb.eu/.
1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
Meta does take privacy seriously. It is an existential threat to their "business". Meta is serious about violating privacy for profit.
kibwen 2y ago
> I wonder how Meta employees can keep a straight face lying their faces off. We have created a dystopian system where honesty is punished and lying is incentivized. This is the only natural outcome anyone should expect.

by sofixa 2y ago

hyggetrold 2y ago

> I wonder how Meta employees can keep a straight face lying their faces off. Did you see that Social Dilemma documentary? People only find their conscience after they've checked a big bankroll. I've been in tech for almost two decades now and I've seen many many many good people throw their values right out the window once the price was right.

paul7986 2y ago
If you're a startup founder with high morality you could never go against you are going to have trouble succeeding!
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > If you're a startup founder with high morality…you are going to have trouble succeeding This reminds of people who claim they’re too honest to disguise that they’re assholes. You can absolutely start a company and make lots of money without compromising your values. Someone claiming otherwise is usually trying to excuse bad behaviour or get over a past failure.
  - hyggetrold 2y ago
    > You can absolutely start a company and make lots of money without compromising your values. Here's the thing though, and I say this from personal experience...if you're willing to compromise your values...you can make a shitload of money.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > if you're willing to compromise your values...you can make a shitload of money Of course. But then you’re also playing a different game, one where the downsides are expanded from make no money to go to jail or worse.
      - paul7986 2y ago
        Go to jail ... so many startup bro(s) have lied, cheated, stole and possibly worse to get to where they are and they didnt care. Same with many politicians on the left and right should be locked up for doing worse but arent and wont. Pardon to get political just saying the uber successful that most lack the same morality regular folks do. That was a downfall in my startup adventures my morality and being a nice guy!
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        This reminds me of the popular view of insider trading. Numpties think everyone does it. So they do. And then they get caught. Because executing an insider trade ex ante versus detecting it ex post facto is an P != NP problem.
      - justinclift 2y ago
        Or be outright killed, depending upon who you decided to cross.
    - paul7986 2y ago
      Sure, you can start a company and make money, but if you wanna do startups and win the race, you will have to plow over everyone (without caring an ounce) in your way

diggan 2y ago

Meta/Facebook kind of have a track record of strong claims that doesn't really hold up when scrutinized. From https://www.llama.com/ https://www.llama.com/ > The open-source AI model [...] Llama is the leading open source model family Then from https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-3.2-1B https://huggingface.co/meta-llama/Llama-3.2-1B > License: Use of Llama 3.2 is governed by the Llama 3.2 Community License (a custom, commercial license agreement). In that license: Section 1(b)(i) requires you to display "Built with Llama" (branding requirements, really?). Section 2 has additional restrictive licensing requirements. Section 5(c) has retaliation that your license is terminated if you initiate legal proceedings. There is probably more too. Pretty close to "Not Open Source". Yet, Meta continue marketing Llama as such.

mistrial9 2y ago
yes and, it is essential that Meta is doing this with LLama at this time.. it is literally at their whim. so, complicated...
gopher_space 2y ago
It feels safe to ignore licenses on models trained with copyrighted material. Meta should feel free to open that can of worms if they’re bothered by it.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
There is no way that legal proceedings clause could hold up.

scotty79 2y ago

They are taking privacy, very seriously.

imron 2y ago
Beautifully placed comma

CommieBobDole 2y ago

That's just basic PR-speak; it's apparently important to release a statement saying "we are and have always been very serious about not doing (thing that we do and got caught doing)" after you've been caught doing a thing. I think the idea is there's some percentage of the public that will just uncritically accept the last thing they were told as gospel truth, and the rest don't believe you any less than they did before, so it's a net win.

makeitdouble 2y ago
To note, they're not talking about not screwing X. All they're saying is they take X very seriously. Which can be interpreted positively by some, yet doesn't put them too much at risk when tomorrow they're found again screwing X. They'll still be taking X very seriously at that time.
- Terr_ 2y ago
  Exactly, it's often weasel-wording that loosely suggests they're seriously against something, but state they are just generically serious regarding a topic in an abstract manner. "The police officers killed my dog! Right through the screen door!" "Please calm down sir, I assure you the the department takes the handling of pets very seriously..."
nprateem 2y ago
And of course that you welcome the judgment against you and look forward to blah blah blah
deleted 2y ago
[deleted]
CatWChainsaw 2y ago
I just mentally translate any PR statement like that as "fuck you we'll keep doing what we're doing, enjoy your portion of the paltry fine we pay once you receive it after a decade of appeals."

Alupis 2y ago

The article is short on details. Schrems alleges that Facebook somehow picked up his sexual orientation from a panel meeting, and then advertised to him based on that? Is it not more likely that the group of people/profiles and activities he participated on Facebook are what "outed" him instead? I had hoped for more details about how Schrems and/or a court were able to prove Facebook took his off-site meeting into account and based ads on that alone.

stavros 2y ago

Yes he is, please donate yearly to https://noyb.eu/ https://noyb.eu/.

1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago

Meta does take privacy seriously. It is an existential threat to their "business". Meta is serious about violating privacy for profit.

kibwen 2y ago

> I wonder how Meta employees can keep a straight face lying their faces off. We have created a dystopian system where honesty is punished and lying is incentivized. This is the only natural outcome anyone should expect.