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Perfect example of what I’m discussing You ignore the assumptions that define the system as implied and non-differentiated So, not all economic systems define

Perfect example of what I’m discussing You ignore the assumptions that define the system as implied and non-differentiated So, not all economic systems define private property as a valid concept- yet you want to smuggle it in as though it’s a homogenous assumption across all disciplines Capitalism is distinct in this and simply collapsing into “privately held means of production” is specifically a perspective long the Marx - smith axis ignoring the anarchist (Proudhon) and mutualist-indigenous hunter gather tradition You need to explicate all assumptions in order to make a definition Your definition is already corrupted by assuming property is a valid concept

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> not all economic systems define private property as a valid concept- yet you want to smuggle it in as though it’s a homogenous assumption across all disciplines I literally said “capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership.” That makes zero universal assumptions. If you don’t have private ownership in your economic system, it isn’t capitalist. (There is a limited universality to the concept of means of production, though you can absolutely define an economic system without it. It will simply struggle to describe an industrial society. Similar to how a classic capitalist model struggles to describe the complexity of informal social interaction.) > simply collapsing into “privately held means of production” is specifically a perspective long the Marx - smith axis The existence of a spectrum doesn’t imply the non-existence of another. Like, if I say red light is about 700 nm, that doesn’t say nor even imply that I don’t recognise neutrinos. > definition is already corrupted by assuming property is a valid concept It’s an internal definition. Property is a capitalist concept. Arithmetics is commonly defined as “an elementary branch of mathematics that studies numerical operations like addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division” [1]. The fact that addition is a term that, in this context, entirely derives its meaning from within arithmetics is both circular and okay and does not corrupt the definition. (We can do the same thing with natural sciences. Entomologists study insects, with the term insect being internally defined by entomology and/or biology.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic
- AndrewKemendo 2y ago
  I think we agree actually

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> not all economic systems define private property as a valid concept- yet you want to smuggle it in as though it’s a homogenous assumption across all disciplines I literally said “capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership.” That makes zero universal assumptions. If you don’t have private ownership in your economic system, it isn’t capitalist. (There is a limited universality to the concept of means of production, though you can absolutely define an economic system without it. It will simply struggle to describe an industrial society. Similar to how a classic capitalist model struggles to describe the complexity of informal social interaction.) > simply collapsing into “privately held means of production” is specifically a perspective long the Marx - smith axis The existence of a spectrum doesn’t imply the non-existence of another. Like, if I say red light is about 700 nm, that doesn’t say nor even imply that I don’t recognise neutrinos. > definition is already corrupted by assuming property is a valid concept It’s an internal definition. Property is a capitalist concept. Arithmetics is commonly defined as “an elementary branch of mathematics that studies numerical operations like addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division” [1]. The fact that addition is a term that, in this context, entirely derives its meaning from within arithmetics is both circular and okay and does not corrupt the definition. (We can do the same thing with natural sciences. Entomologists study insects, with the term insect being internally defined by entomology and/or biology.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic

AndrewKemendo 2y ago
I think we agree actually