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If you've read Tribal Leadership, you'd recognize these as "stage 3" leaders. Their core belief is that if everyone would just be more like them and do what th

by ada1981 2y ago

If you've read Tribal Leadership, you'd recognize these as "stage 3" leaders. Their core belief is that if everyone would just be more like them and do what they said, all of their frustration and problems would go away.

stego-tech 2y ago
Never heard of this book before, and yet I was immediately tuned into what you were describing: the “I’m better than everyone else” types who begrudge others for not being imitations of themselves, as opposed to recognizing the benefits diversity brings in strategy, execution, and survival. I should add this to my backlog, it sounds like.
- ada1981 2y ago
  The main notes of Tribal Leadership: tribes are the organizing unit of human culture is the driving force, and can be observed though the language people use and the relationship structures they have. Stage 1: "life sucks", no relationships - gangs, prison, essentially you get ahead by taking advantage of people who don't realize life sucks. Stage 2: "my life sucks", diads - if only some oppressive power authority would change, my life would be better. form diads and complain about the boss, etc. Stage 3: "i'm great", hub & spoke - rockstar with supporting cast; top achievers; political orgs; win at all costs. Stage 4: "we're great", triads - relationships organized around values and competency and working to advance people into Stage 4 consciousness. Stage 5: "life is great", org flow. - when a majority of people in a tribe are in Stage 4, they will pulse into Stage 5 organically, no competition at this level, solving new problems, in flow with life itself.
  - stego-tech 2y ago
    Yeah, that's about what I speculated from the book's title and what little description I got from the thread. It feels very natural and organic, but also personal if that makes sense? Like, I've mostly pulled away from any of the S2's in my life, my unorthodox home/familial unit is S4, and work feels like a mix of S4 teams railing and struggling against S3 leaders and their S2 followers. It's a good "cliche system" to help simplify the complex power dynamic strata in a large organization. I dig it!
    - ada1981 2y ago
      If you apply the principles, you’ll learn how to develop someone from 1 > 2, 2 > 3, 3 > 4. Primarily through making the right kind of introductions. And you’ll grow in the process as you own & integrate your own earlier states. It’s the foundation of our leadership development work at EarthPilot.org
giraffe_lady 2y ago
There is also a clear class antagonism to this in my experience. People at that level of management have more in common with the investment bankers and VC funders than the people who work under them. These people dream of a world without workers, a wonderland of pure profit.
- ada1981 2y ago
  Send in the robots and AGI!
bartozone 2y ago
I just ordered this book based of this description. I've had a unique work history with this type of leader.
- ada1981 2y ago
  Most have. The book will teach you how to get leverage no matter your official title or position within an organization.

stego-tech 2y ago

Never heard of this book before, and yet I was immediately tuned into what you were describing: the “I’m better than everyone else” types who begrudge others for not being imitations of themselves, as opposed to recognizing the benefits diversity brings in strategy, execution, and survival. I should add this to my backlog, it sounds like.

ada1981 2y ago
The main notes of Tribal Leadership: tribes are the organizing unit of human culture is the driving force, and can be observed though the language people use and the relationship structures they have. Stage 1: "life sucks", no relationships - gangs, prison, essentially you get ahead by taking advantage of people who don't realize life sucks. Stage 2: "my life sucks", diads - if only some oppressive power authority would change, my life would be better. form diads and complain about the boss, etc. Stage 3: "i'm great", hub & spoke - rockstar with supporting cast; top achievers; political orgs; win at all costs. Stage 4: "we're great", triads - relationships organized around values and competency and working to advance people into Stage 4 consciousness. Stage 5: "life is great", org flow. - when a majority of people in a tribe are in Stage 4, they will pulse into Stage 5 organically, no competition at this level, solving new problems, in flow with life itself.
- stego-tech 2y ago
  Yeah, that's about what I speculated from the book's title and what little description I got from the thread. It feels very natural and organic, but also personal if that makes sense? Like, I've mostly pulled away from any of the S2's in my life, my unorthodox home/familial unit is S4, and work feels like a mix of S4 teams railing and struggling against S3 leaders and their S2 followers. It's a good "cliche system" to help simplify the complex power dynamic strata in a large organization. I dig it!
  - ada1981 2y ago
    If you apply the principles, you’ll learn how to develop someone from 1 > 2, 2 > 3, 3 > 4. Primarily through making the right kind of introductions. And you’ll grow in the process as you own & integrate your own earlier states. It’s the foundation of our leadership development work at EarthPilot.org

giraffe_lady 2y ago

There is also a clear class antagonism to this in my experience. People at that level of management have more in common with the investment bankers and VC funders than the people who work under them. These people dream of a world without workers, a wonderland of pure profit.

ada1981 2y ago
Send in the robots and AGI!

bartozone 2y ago

I just ordered this book based of this description. I've had a unique work history with this type of leader.

ada1981 2y ago
Most have. The book will teach you how to get leverage no matter your official title or position within an organization.