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I'm not. The likelihood that such movies (for example) would have anything significant to say about being human seems very low. If one watches movies, reads bo

by adamc 2y ago

I'm not. The likelihood that such movies (for example) would have anything significant to say about being human seems very low. If one watches movies, reads books, etc. just to pass the time, maybe this would be some kind of boon. But for those of us looking for meaningful commentary on life, looking to connect with other human beings, this would be some circle of hell. It's some kind of solipsism.

CuriouslyC 2y ago
That doesn't follow at all. If I come up with a meaningful story and use AI to generate clips and stich them together to tell it, that's real art. If you disagree with that, you're basically saying La Jetee isn't art, which would be a hard sell.
- adamc 2y ago
  I don't have anything against stitching together clips to tell your story, but I'm unconvinced that these demonstrate anything like that. As I said in another comment, it seems like you'd need to write a screenplay PLUS all the information the director, cinematographer, etc. use to create an actual movie -- everything from direction for how actors portray scenes to decisions on exactly how shots are constructed, to blocking for multiple actors in a scene, to color schemes... There are a LOT of choices in making a movie, and if you just let the AI make them, you are getting "random" (uncontrolled) choices. I don't think that is going to compare favorably to the real thing. If you can specify all that, then it's just a tool. Cool. But it's still going to take pro-level skills to use it.
- rolux 2y ago
  If La Jetee was just some photos stitched together plus meaningful narration, then of course, you could use AI-generated photos. But would AI be able to quote Vertigo, like La Jetee does? Doesn't art, at least to some degree, require intent (including all intentional subversions of that intent dogma, of course)?
zarzavat 2y ago
I wouldn't be so sure. AI can ingest far more information about humans than a human ever could. It has read our stories and understands our languages. AI might have more to say about humans than we do ourselves. Of course AI can never truly experience being human, it has no emotions, but it is excellent at mimicry and it can certainly provide a meaningful outside perspective. Is there anything to say about humanity that is not in the training corpus already?
- adamc 2y ago
  Every new novel of any merit shows that there is. And the world keeps changing. The experience of being human keeps changing. Nothing AI has yet done has demonstrated anything at the level of art or mastery. I guess I'm unconvinced that throwing a million stories into the blender and synthesizing is going to produce a compelling one.
  - schmorptron 2y ago
    Maybe people with good story literacy and cultural comprehension will be able to tell the difference for much longer, maybe even indefinitely. But the majority of people, and I dread that includes me, won't, at some point. I've already fallen for some AI generated music and thought "hey, that sounds pretty good, I'll bookmark it". It's genuinely scary.
93po 2y ago
95% of television and movies, to me, are completely uninteresting and not worth watching. the property of being human-made has a pretty low success rate for basically anyone

by adamc 2y ago

CuriouslyC 2y ago

That doesn't follow at all. If I come up with a meaningful story and use AI to generate clips and stich them together to tell it, that's real art. If you disagree with that, you're basically saying La Jetee isn't art, which would be a hard sell.

adamc 2y ago
I don't have anything against stitching together clips to tell your story, but I'm unconvinced that these demonstrate anything like that. As I said in another comment, it seems like you'd need to write a screenplay PLUS all the information the director, cinematographer, etc. use to create an actual movie -- everything from direction for how actors portray scenes to decisions on exactly how shots are constructed, to blocking for multiple actors in a scene, to color schemes... There are a LOT of choices in making a movie, and if you just let the AI make them, you are getting "random" (uncontrolled) choices. I don't think that is going to compare favorably to the real thing. If you can specify all that, then it's just a tool. Cool. But it's still going to take pro-level skills to use it.
rolux 2y ago
If La Jetee was just some photos stitched together plus meaningful narration, then of course, you could use AI-generated photos. But would AI be able to quote Vertigo, like La Jetee does? Doesn't art, at least to some degree, require intent (including all intentional subversions of that intent dogma, of course)?

zarzavat 2y ago

I wouldn't be so sure. AI can ingest far more information about humans than a human ever could. It has read our stories and understands our languages. AI might have more to say about humans than we do ourselves. Of course AI can never truly experience being human, it has no emotions, but it is excellent at mimicry and it can certainly provide a meaningful outside perspective. Is there anything to say about humanity that is not in the training corpus already?

adamc 2y ago
Every new novel of any merit shows that there is. And the world keeps changing. The experience of being human keeps changing. Nothing AI has yet done has demonstrated anything at the level of art or mastery. I guess I'm unconvinced that throwing a million stories into the blender and synthesizing is going to produce a compelling one.
- schmorptron 2y ago
  Maybe people with good story literacy and cultural comprehension will be able to tell the difference for much longer, maybe even indefinitely. But the majority of people, and I dread that includes me, won't, at some point. I've already fallen for some AI generated music and thought "hey, that sounds pretty good, I'll bookmark it". It's genuinely scary.

93po 2y ago

95% of television and movies, to me, are completely uninteresting and not worth watching. the property of being human-made has a pretty low success rate for basically anyone