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> "That's something that can be easily fixed in a future release (...)" This has been the default excuse for the last 5+ years. I won't hold my breath.

ekianjo 2y ago
You had AI videos 5 years ago?
- surfingdino 2y ago
  AI in general.
  - bbor 2y ago
    …I mean, it was advancing slowly for linguistic tasks until late 2022, that’s fair. That’s why we’re in such a crazy unexpected rollercoaster of an era - we accidentally cracked intuitive computing while trying to build the best text autocomplete. AI in general is from 1950, or more generally from whenever the abacus was invented. This very website runs on AI, and always has. I would implore us to speak more exactly if we’re criticizing stuff; “LLMs” came around (in force) in 2023, both for coherent language use (ChatGPT 3.5) and image use (DALLE2). The predecessors were an order of magnitude less capable, and going back 5 years puts us back in the era of “chatbots”, aka dumb toys that can barely string together a Reddit comment on /r/subredditsimulator.
    - surfingdino 2y ago
      AI so far has given us ability to mass produce shit content of no use to anybody and the next iteration of customer support phone menu trees that sound more convincingly yet remain just as useless. That and another round of IP theft and mass surveillance in the name of progress.
      - kelseyfrog 2y ago
        This is a consequence of a type of cognitive bias - bad examples of AI are more easily detectable than good examples of AI. Subsequently, when we recall examples of AI content, bad examples are more easily accessible. This leads to the faulty conclusion that. > AI so far has given us ability to mass produce shit content of no use to anybody Good AI goes largely undetected, for the simple reason that it closely matches the distribution of non-AI content. Controversial aside: This is same bias that results in non-passing trans people being representative of the whole. Passing trans folk simply blend in.
        WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago
        You're making an unverifiable claim. How are we supposed to know that the undetected good AI exists at all? Everything I've seen explicitly produced by any of these models is in uncanny valley territory still, even the "good" stuff.
        deleted 2y ago
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        kelseyfrog 2y ago
        Don't care. Every request for verification will eventually reach the Münchhausen trilemma
        WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago
        Okay. So you are a person who does not care if what they are saying is true. Got it!
        kelseyfrog 2y ago
        Verificationism[1] is a failed epistemology because it breaks under the Münchhausen trilemma. It's pseudo-scientific like astrology, four humors, and palm reading. Use better epistemologies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationism
  - airstrike 2y ago
    We don't have AI in general today
Rinzler89 2y ago
5 years ago there were no AI videos. A bit over a year ago the best AI videos were hilarious hallucinations of Will Smith eating spaghetti. Today we have these realistic videos that are still in the uncanny valley. That's insane progress in the span of a year. Who knows what it will be like in another year. Let'em cook.
- authorfly 2y ago
  Disco Diffusion was a (bad) thing in 2021 that lead to the spaghetti video / weird Burger Kind Ads level quality. But it ran on consumer GPUs / in Jupyter notebook. 2 years ago we had decent video generation for clips 7 months ago we have Sora https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 (still silence since then) With these things, like DALL-E 1 and GPT-3, the original release of the game changer often comes ca. 2 years before people can actually use it. I think that's what we're looking at. I.e. it's not as fast as you think.
  - bbor 2y ago
    What video generation was decent 2 years ago? Will smith eating spaghetti was barely coherent and clearly broken, and that was March 2023 (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghetti https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghett...). And isn’t this model open source…? So we get access to it, like, momentarily? Or did I miss something?
    - authorfly 2y ago
      So you're right to be excited, I agree. And I don't know, Meta, like OpenAI, seems to release conditionally, though yes, more. I doubt it before the election. When the Will Smith one was released, it was kind of a parody though. Tech had already been able to produce that level of "quality" for about 2 years at the time of it's publishing. The Will Smith one is honestly something you could have created with Disco Diffusion in early 2021, I used to do this back then... 2022 saw: https://makeavideo.studio/ https://makeavideo.studio/ (coherent, but low res - it was possible to upscale at extreme expense) https://sites.research.google/phenaki/ https://sites.research.google/phenaki/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/ It was more like 18-20 months ago sorry so early 2023, but https://runwayml.com/research/gen-1 https://runwayml.com/research/gen-1 was getting there as was https://pika.art/home https://pika.art/home - Sora obviously changed the game, but I would say these two were great.

ekianjo 2y ago

You had AI videos 5 years ago?

surfingdino 2y ago
AI in general.
- bbor 2y ago
  …I mean, it was advancing slowly for linguistic tasks until late 2022, that’s fair. That’s why we’re in such a crazy unexpected rollercoaster of an era - we accidentally cracked intuitive computing while trying to build the best text autocomplete. AI in general is from 1950, or more generally from whenever the abacus was invented. This very website runs on AI, and always has. I would implore us to speak more exactly if we’re criticizing stuff; “LLMs” came around (in force) in 2023, both for coherent language use (ChatGPT 3.5) and image use (DALLE2). The predecessors were an order of magnitude less capable, and going back 5 years puts us back in the era of “chatbots”, aka dumb toys that can barely string together a Reddit comment on /r/subredditsimulator.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    AI so far has given us ability to mass produce shit content of no use to anybody and the next iteration of customer support phone menu trees that sound more convincingly yet remain just as useless. That and another round of IP theft and mass surveillance in the name of progress.
    - kelseyfrog 2y ago
      This is a consequence of a type of cognitive bias - bad examples of AI are more easily detectable than good examples of AI. Subsequently, when we recall examples of AI content, bad examples are more easily accessible. This leads to the faulty conclusion that. > AI so far has given us ability to mass produce shit content of no use to anybody Good AI goes largely undetected, for the simple reason that it closely matches the distribution of non-AI content. Controversial aside: This is same bias that results in non-passing trans people being representative of the whole. Passing trans folk simply blend in.
      - WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago
        You're making an unverifiable claim. How are we supposed to know that the undetected good AI exists at all? Everything I've seen explicitly produced by any of these models is in uncanny valley territory still, even the "good" stuff.
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
        kelseyfrog 2y ago
        Don't care. Every request for verification will eventually reach the Münchhausen trilemma
        WhyOhWhyQ 2y ago
        Okay. So you are a person who does not care if what they are saying is true. Got it!
        kelseyfrog 2y ago
        Verificationism[1] is a failed epistemology because it breaks under the Münchhausen trilemma. It's pseudo-scientific like astrology, four humors, and palm reading. Use better epistemologies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationism
- airstrike 2y ago
  We don't have AI in general today

Rinzler89 2y ago

5 years ago there were no AI videos. A bit over a year ago the best AI videos were hilarious hallucinations of Will Smith eating spaghetti. Today we have these realistic videos that are still in the uncanny valley. That's insane progress in the span of a year. Who knows what it will be like in another year. Let'em cook.

authorfly 2y ago
Disco Diffusion was a (bad) thing in 2021 that lead to the spaghetti video / weird Burger Kind Ads level quality. But it ran on consumer GPUs / in Jupyter notebook. 2 years ago we had decent video generation for clips 7 months ago we have Sora https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393252 (still silence since then) With these things, like DALL-E 1 and GPT-3, the original release of the game changer often comes ca. 2 years before people can actually use it. I think that's what we're looking at. I.e. it's not as fast as you think.
- bbor 2y ago
  What video generation was decent 2 years ago? Will smith eating spaghetti was barely coherent and clearly broken, and that was March 2023 (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghetti https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghett...). And isn’t this model open source…? So we get access to it, like, momentarily? Or did I miss something?
  - authorfly 2y ago
    So you're right to be excited, I agree. And I don't know, Meta, like OpenAI, seems to release conditionally, though yes, more. I doubt it before the election. When the Will Smith one was released, it was kind of a parody though. Tech had already been able to produce that level of "quality" for about 2 years at the time of it's publishing. The Will Smith one is honestly something you could have created with Disco Diffusion in early 2021, I used to do this back then... 2022 saw: https://makeavideo.studio/ https://makeavideo.studio/ (coherent, but low res - it was possible to upscale at extreme expense) https://sites.research.google/phenaki/ https://sites.research.google/phenaki/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/ https://lumiere-video.github.io/ It was more like 18-20 months ago sorry so early 2023, but https://runwayml.com/research/gen-1 https://runwayml.com/research/gen-1 was getting there as was https://pika.art/home https://pika.art/home - Sora obviously changed the game, but I would say these two were great.