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Below the waterline? (Waistline if less charitable) Ah havent read this article yet but anticipating “insider” as a more distinguishing term than “experts” sho

Below the waterline? (Waistline if less charitable) Ah havent read this article yet but anticipating “insider” as a more distinguishing term than “experts” should cover their edge cases (Which secrets are shameful to share vs merely uh inconvenient, e.g. for waistline, depends on how you draw the party lines, some do it at type ii “zahlungsfaehig” vs “proleten” as nsdap apparently another eg, for waterline) [do you have a fictional character for each of sigfox & lion?] So, where is the line for YC?

aebtebeten 2y ago
My bad: I got the fox and lion analogy wrong. (NdBdM apparently said the prince ought to be able to be both fox and lion; like HKH had both Knecht and Designori? What about Tito? "The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves." [not yet checked for context/translation]) Sorry, I'd been too quick to assume it fit nicely in with our early tripartitions, based on some blogiating that I'm not finding in my verlauf at the moment. So I'd been imagining TCCAG (in Graves' telling), d-d-disguising himself as one of the clueless, in order to survive the machinations of the psychopaths that had killed off every other male in his family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_family_tree#Simplified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_family_tree#Sim... Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites#Governing_elite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites#Governin... ; it must've been the Burnham connection that set me off on 1984 and then to Rao. Note that here the foxes and lions are distinct people; hence my confusion. EDIT: Pareto definitely thinks of foxes and lions as distinct, but he must've introduced them somewhat earlier than §2178 (The Mind and Society/The General Form of Society/Force and Class-circulation): https://archive.org/details/ParetoTheMindAndSocietyVol4TheGeneralFormOfSociety/Pareto%20-%20The%20Mind%20and%20Society%20Vol%204%3B%20The%20General%20Form%20of%20Society/page/n96/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/ParetoTheMindAndSocietyVol4TheGe...
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  As to Rao-fox-lion quadrantology.. how to classify pear AI problem? (We can say nang et al were barbarians promoted to founders but that is cheap*. Otoh 1 o the more interesting facts from that case is some partners attempting to empirically price their social media marketing thesis) JPsmith on JCScott Against the Grain has another take on Rao, proweird being the barbarians trading with the State Tfound the crucial clause on pants from the Psmith-on-Stripe-Clueless that you pointed at *>derives much of [][] moral and affective sympathies from the claim that [][] is smarter and better and more efficient [s/_/effective] than anybody else Insert insider,expert,Feynman,YC,lion,officer,peer,etc & Whatever is the Other’s (prole,designor,founder,funder,clueless,loser,customer,peer)’s fave metric!
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    wrt https://www.thepsmiths.com/p/review-scaling-people-by-claire-hughes#footnote-13-130267993 https://www.thepsmiths.com/p/review-scaling-people-by-claire... , something else about the early middle ages: During the XIII, tournaments were open invite, and were pretty much war games held over the fields in between villages. Of course, it's very unlikely that anyone not already an aristo could show up with horses and panoply, let alone show up and prove de facto effective, but the few that did had a chance there to win even more horses and armour by ransoming off any captured actual aristos. Well before the XVIII, tournaments switched to closed format, held in specially built arenas, and an official part of the tournament included going around the room and having everyone introduce themselves (or be introduced, to be even fancier) which de jure kept out any gatecrashed aspiring riffraff. Might (for those that have central bank control, anyway) imposing an irregular tidal ebb be a useful variant of mode-switching, in order to effectively signal who's wearing (or not) their budgie smugglers?
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Pear AI: according to NdBdM's original* scheme, Nang et al were foxes, who had schemed, yet could not defend themselves from the wolf (according to russians, wolves are the "paramedics of the forest", for despite not being doctors, they take care of the sick and elderly...). YC? I suppose they should, if it isn't already there, add some legalese to closing documents so founders bear full responsibility for bringing a clean venture to the table. (there could be a different split of responsibility, but since YC is running a retail operation I wouldn't expect one) * Had Machiavelli, in writing (1532): > You must know there are two ways of contesting, the one by the law, the other by force; the first method is proper to men, the second to beasts; but because the first is frequently not sufficient, it is necessary to have recourse to the second. Therefore it is necessary for a prince to understand how to avail himself of the beast and the man. This has been figuratively taught to princes by ancient writers, who describe how Achilles and many other princes of old were given to the Centaur Chiron to nurse, who brought them up in his discipline; which means solely that, as they had for a teacher one who was half beast and half man... been referring to Cicero, De Officiis (44 BC)? http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D34 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... > ...there are two ways of settling a dispute: first, by discussion; second, by physical force; and since the former is characteristic of man, the latter of the brute, we must resort to force only in case we may not avail ourselves of discussion. (I'm surprised I've not read this work until now. With a little skimming, it confirms my reverse-engineering of the cardinal virtues as arising as oppositions [albeit not strictly pairwise]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D15 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D17 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... and has interesting things to say about Castalia: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D28 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... about immigration: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3Dpos%3D3%3Asection%3D47 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... Gemeinschaft vs Gesellschaft: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D22 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... and even Pareto Optimality: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3Dpos%3D3%3Asection%3D21 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... ) EDIT: no, lifted, negated, and expanded to chapter length! http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D41 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%...

aebtebeten 2y ago

My bad: I got the fox and lion analogy wrong. (NdBdM apparently said the prince ought to be able to be both fox and lion; like HKH had both Knecht and Designori? What about Tito? "The lion cannot protect himself from traps, and the fox cannot defend himself from wolves. One must therefore be a fox to recognize traps, and a lion to frighten wolves." [not yet checked for context/translation]) Sorry, I'd been too quick to assume it fit nicely in with our early tripartitions, based on some blogiating that I'm not finding in my verlauf at the moment. So I'd been imagining TCCAG (in Graves' telling), d-d-disguising himself as one of the clueless, in order to survive the machinations of the psychopaths that had killed off every other male in his family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_family_tree#Simplified https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio-Claudian_family_tree#Sim... Found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites#Governing_elite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circulation_of_elites#Governin... ; it must've been the Burnham connection that set me off on 1984 and then to Rao. Note that here the foxes and lions are distinct people; hence my confusion. EDIT: Pareto definitely thinks of foxes and lions as distinct, but he must've introduced them somewhat earlier than §2178 (The Mind and Society/The General Form of Society/Force and Class-circulation): https://archive.org/details/ParetoTheMindAndSocietyVol4TheGeneralFormOfSociety/Pareto%20-%20The%20Mind%20and%20Society%20Vol%204%3B%20The%20General%20Form%20of%20Society/page/n96/mode/1up https://archive.org/details/ParetoTheMindAndSocietyVol4TheGe...

gradschoolfail 2y ago
As to Rao-fox-lion quadrantology.. how to classify pear AI problem? (We can say nang et al were barbarians promoted to founders but that is cheap*. Otoh 1 o the more interesting facts from that case is some partners attempting to empirically price their social media marketing thesis) JPsmith on JCScott Against the Grain has another take on Rao, proweird being the barbarians trading with the State Tfound the crucial clause on pants from the Psmith-on-Stripe-Clueless that you pointed at *>derives much of [][] moral and affective sympathies from the claim that [][] is smarter and better and more efficient [s/_/effective] than anybody else Insert insider,expert,Feynman,YC,lion,officer,peer,etc & Whatever is the Other’s (prole,designor,founder,funder,clueless,loser,customer,peer)’s fave metric!
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  wrt https://www.thepsmiths.com/p/review-scaling-people-by-claire-hughes#footnote-13-130267993 https://www.thepsmiths.com/p/review-scaling-people-by-claire... , something else about the early middle ages: During the XIII, tournaments were open invite, and were pretty much war games held over the fields in between villages. Of course, it's very unlikely that anyone not already an aristo could show up with horses and panoply, let alone show up and prove de facto effective, but the few that did had a chance there to win even more horses and armour by ransoming off any captured actual aristos. Well before the XVIII, tournaments switched to closed format, held in specially built arenas, and an official part of the tournament included going around the room and having everyone introduce themselves (or be introduced, to be even fancier) which de jure kept out any gatecrashed aspiring riffraff. Might (for those that have central bank control, anyway) imposing an irregular tidal ebb be a useful variant of mode-switching, in order to effectively signal who's wearing (or not) their budgie smugglers?
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Pear AI: according to NdBdM's original* scheme, Nang et al were foxes, who had schemed, yet could not defend themselves from the wolf (according to russians, wolves are the "paramedics of the forest", for despite not being doctors, they take care of the sick and elderly...). YC? I suppose they should, if it isn't already there, add some legalese to closing documents so founders bear full responsibility for bringing a clean venture to the table. (there could be a different split of responsibility, but since YC is running a retail operation I wouldn't expect one) * Had Machiavelli, in writing (1532): > You must know there are two ways of contesting, the one by the law, the other by force; the first method is proper to men, the second to beasts; but because the first is frequently not sufficient, it is necessary to have recourse to the second. Therefore it is necessary for a prince to understand how to avail himself of the beast and the man. This has been figuratively taught to princes by ancient writers, who describe how Achilles and many other princes of old were given to the Centaur Chiron to nurse, who brought them up in his discipline; which means solely that, as they had for a teacher one who was half beast and half man... been referring to Cicero, De Officiis (44 BC)? http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D34 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... > ...there are two ways of settling a dispute: first, by discussion; second, by physical force; and since the former is characteristic of man, the latter of the brute, we must resort to force only in case we may not avail ourselves of discussion. (I'm surprised I've not read this work until now. With a little skimming, it confirms my reverse-engineering of the cardinal virtues as arising as oppositions [albeit not strictly pairwise]: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D15 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D17 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... and has interesting things to say about Castalia: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D28 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... about immigration: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3Dpos%3D3%3Asection%3D47 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... Gemeinschaft vs Gesellschaft: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D22 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... and even Pareto Optimality: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3Dpos%3D3%3Asection%3D21 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%... ) EDIT: no, lifted, negated, and expanded to chapter length! http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2007.01.0048%3Abook%3D1%3Asection%3D41 http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%...