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Or _who_ is leading this project. There’s a gigantic difference between someone who has experience designing and building complex systems to be secure and priv

by wepple 2y ago

Or _who_ is leading this project. There’s a gigantic difference between someone who has experience designing and building complex systems to be secure and private… and someone who thinks “how hard can this be? There’s gotta be a market for it!” I can’t tell which one this is

lizknope 2y ago
How the FBI's fake cell phone company put criminals into real jail cells https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/1197959218/fbi-phone-company-anom https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/1197959218/fbi-phone-company-... https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163389/joseph-cox-dark-wire-fbi-phone-startup-anom-criminals-secure-messaging-decoder-interview https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163389/joseph-cox-dark-... I remember this story. The FBI created cell phone business targeting criminals. They got criminals to believe it was a secure network all while listening in.
- joemazerino 2y ago
  There is a distinct difference between a publicly offered MikroPhone and a phone swapped between criminals. Not every phone is some honeypot.
- lazyeye 2y ago
  Dark Wire by Joseph Cox covers the whole story https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Wire-Incredible-Largest-Operation/dp/B0CKNP2Z8B/ https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Wire-Incredible-Largest-Operatio... It was a real conundrum for law enforcement agencies because at some point they had to stop facilitating crime and start exposing it.
  - aksss 2y ago
    (judgement aside, just facts) There's a lot of that going on with the FBI, including bot nets / marketplaces that they commandeer. How long do you let it continue? It's a fantastic way to gather intelligence, and the risk that a market player may be LE adds more peril for the players engaging in it.
Valord 2y ago
Look at the bottom of the page and you will see > This project is funded through NGI0 Entrust, a fund established by NLnet with financial support from the European Commission's Next Generation Internet program. Learn more at the NLnet project page. with links and everything.
- wepple 2y ago
  Yep, and I followed all of those. I still have absolutely no idea who is designing, running, building mikrophone or the project. It’s great to know it’s not funded by DPRK, but that wasn’t my point. There’s a difference between it being built by an undergrad student and moxie marlinspike.

by wepple 2y ago

lizknope 2y ago

How the FBI's fake cell phone company put criminals into real jail cells https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/1197959218/fbi-phone-company-anom https://www.npr.org/2024/05/31/1197959218/fbi-phone-company-... https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163389/joseph-cox-dark-wire-fbi-phone-startup-anom-criminals-secure-messaging-decoder-interview https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163389/joseph-cox-dark-... I remember this story. The FBI created cell phone business targeting criminals. They got criminals to believe it was a secure network all while listening in.

joemazerino 2y ago
There is a distinct difference between a publicly offered MikroPhone and a phone swapped between criminals. Not every phone is some honeypot.
lazyeye 2y ago
Dark Wire by Joseph Cox covers the whole story https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Wire-Incredible-Largest-Operation/dp/B0CKNP2Z8B/ https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Wire-Incredible-Largest-Operatio... It was a real conundrum for law enforcement agencies because at some point they had to stop facilitating crime and start exposing it.
- aksss 2y ago
  (judgement aside, just facts) There's a lot of that going on with the FBI, including bot nets / marketplaces that they commandeer. How long do you let it continue? It's a fantastic way to gather intelligence, and the risk that a market player may be LE adds more peril for the players engaging in it.

Valord 2y ago

Look at the bottom of the page and you will see > This project is funded through NGI0 Entrust, a fund established by NLnet with financial support from the European Commission's Next Generation Internet program. Learn more at the NLnet project page. with links and everything.

wepple 2y ago
Yep, and I followed all of those. I still have absolutely no idea who is designing, running, building mikrophone or the project. It’s great to know it’s not funded by DPRK, but that wasn’t my point. There’s a difference between it being built by an undergrad student and moxie marlinspike.