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Yeah, hetzner nodes aren't 10x cheaper, because the products are not comparable. AWS/cloud services innovation is that their offering is incomparable and setup

Yeah, hetzner nodes aren't 10x cheaper, because the products are not comparable. AWS/cloud services innovation is that their offering is incomparable and setup in a way which makes comparison very difficult. It is not only the hardware cost that saves you money, but also the fact that if you rent dedicated servers you tend to develop your infra in a different way which is ultimately way more cost effective. Dedicated servers definitely aren't a silver bullet, nobody is saying that. Managing your own servers requires work - how much, that is arguable and depends on many factors. To me the problem is more that AWS and cloud companies are selling a very expensive silver bullet, which really isn't even a silver bullet. In my experience most of the time it doesn't make sense to buy that.

Cpoll 2y ago
I often find myself in a mid-size situation that's awkward. Hetzner doesn't provide SLAs, so if I have to then I need to run my clusters across multiple providers. If I need to support full DR in 8hrs I need to have something on another data center, I can't just run my AWS terraform in a different region. If my infra were 10x larger I'd go dedicated, but right now I'm happy enough to eat the AWS premium. > develop your infra in a different way Totally agree, but for many people that ship has sailed.
- dijit 2y ago
  > Hetzner doesn't provide SLAs They do if you enter an agreement with them for professional services; I'm not certain but I think there's an SLA also on their "managed" servers: https://www.hetzner.com/managed-server/ https://www.hetzner.com/managed-server/ However, if you want a "no-human" SLA with bare-metal rented servers, I could recommend Gcore: https://gcore.com/hosting/dedicated https://gcore.com/hosting/dedicated Their managed kubernetes even supports bare-metal nodes, which is actually something I'm using.
  - Cpoll 2y ago
    But the managed servers look comparable in price to AWS instances at the same specs? (I'm eyeballing, I don't want to pull numbers on my phone). I don't want bare metal nodes, they put a high lower bound on the cost of a distributed cluster. I want a "herd" distributed across data centers, and a system that spins up new ones if the old ones die. I don't care if AWS shuts down an ec2 instance without warning, because a new one will automatically replace it.

Cpoll 2y ago

I often find myself in a mid-size situation that's awkward. Hetzner doesn't provide SLAs, so if I have to then I need to run my clusters across multiple providers. If I need to support full DR in 8hrs I need to have something on another data center, I can't just run my AWS terraform in a different region. If my infra were 10x larger I'd go dedicated, but right now I'm happy enough to eat the AWS premium. > develop your infra in a different way Totally agree, but for many people that ship has sailed.

dijit 2y ago
> Hetzner doesn't provide SLAs They do if you enter an agreement with them for professional services; I'm not certain but I think there's an SLA also on their "managed" servers: https://www.hetzner.com/managed-server/ https://www.hetzner.com/managed-server/ However, if you want a "no-human" SLA with bare-metal rented servers, I could recommend Gcore: https://gcore.com/hosting/dedicated https://gcore.com/hosting/dedicated Their managed kubernetes even supports bare-metal nodes, which is actually something I'm using.
- Cpoll 2y ago
  But the managed servers look comparable in price to AWS instances at the same specs? (I'm eyeballing, I don't want to pull numbers on my phone). I don't want bare metal nodes, they put a high lower bound on the cost of a distributed cluster. I want a "herd" distributed across data centers, and a system that spins up new ones if the old ones die. I don't care if AWS shuts down an ec2 instance without warning, because a new one will automatically replace it.